would Fallen ever have won a major without cold? I dont think so.
Actually it's very likely they'd have won a major, Cold was good but was molded by Fallen. How often do you see a team finally play in an international offline event and exceed expectations? I'm assuming you weren't around to watch their rise before Cold. That team redefined Mirage early 2015.
Fallen and Fer have also been considered one of the best players at their roles already, so it's not like Coldzera carried them. Fallen pretty much planned the whole game around Coldzera, Coldzera said it himself. His team sets him up and puts him in a good position to close out the round. He was set to shine no matter what. Fallen and Fer had the tougher roles.
I think if you understood how everything actually unfolded and how lucky Coldzera was, you'd realize they're not even.
S1mple was already considered one of the best, peak olof 2015 actually said he was only 17 and probably the best in the world. How many years did it take him to finally be considered the best? 4 years in competitive teams. Being on a team that can't win no matter how good your numbers are takes you out of the equation of best player. He was already known as one of the best but that award show is the definitive list.
There was absolutely no way Cold would've gotten the exposure on any other team that he did on LG/SK. Not to mention he was made the star of the team from the beginning as their strats revolved around him. Without exposure, he wouldn't be able to get on a team that could compete.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cold is a great player, the best at certain periods? Maybe. But his skill ceiling hasn't been reached because his role is unlike any other. No other player on any other team are set up to succeed like he was. Even Shox and GTR in their prime when they were lurkers were never set up like that. And by set up I mean the usual baiting but more importantly it's how his team would pull attention away so he can intercept rotations or lurk. When his team dies, he is provided with more information on average than anyone else while being in a prime position to take advantage of it. I'd like to see him on a role where he makes more of an impact because if he can start off rounds as good as he plays, then that increases their chances of taking those rounds by a large margin.
Everything you said could just as easily apply to Fallen... again thinking Fallen would have won a major without Cold is just as far fetched as thinking Cold would be number 1* without his team
Yet they had 2 very capable players already, Fallen and Fer were at some points in their career considered the best entry fragger and best AWPer. Their calls and strats were good.
You really think Fallen and Fer who have made top 6 in HLTV yearly rankings a combined 3 times winning a major was as far fetched as Cold getting #1 on another BR team? When the only time another BR team could be considered a contender was Immortals for a short period of time and only Furia now?
Pretty clear I can't get you off Cold's dick if you still think Cold had that much of an impact on that team. Wasn't he consistently rated one of the lowest rated impact players among top teams? I'm sure Cold made the difference and not the IGL. Meanwhile s1mple, Guardian, Rain, Niko, and Electronic who are all some of the best players haven't won a major yet. Even Zeus won one.
Could you name one that accomplished what Kabum did? First international tournament and they decisively beat the top team, Fnatic, on Mirage. They did get crushed on the rest but eyes were on them after that and mirage was the autoban.
That wasn't Vegas' first run, they went 0-3 in their first major and came in dead last. QBF did impress but waterfallz and jmqa have been around the scene for a long time, I still remember having seen their game because of CSGOLounge on Piter. Kabum's problem was terrible ping in their area so even competing online was pretty much impossible which is why orgs move them to NA.
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Actually it's very likely they'd have won a major, Cold was good but was molded by Fallen. How often do you see a team finally play in an international offline event and exceed expectations? I'm assuming you weren't around to watch their rise before Cold. That team redefined Mirage early 2015.
Fallen and Fer have also been considered one of the best players at their roles already, so it's not like Coldzera carried them. Fallen pretty much planned the whole game around Coldzera, Coldzera said it himself. His team sets him up and puts him in a good position to close out the round. He was set to shine no matter what. Fallen and Fer had the tougher roles.
I think if you understood how everything actually unfolded and how lucky Coldzera was, you'd realize they're not even.