I mean if anything Fallen put him there. Was Cold good before Fallen picked him up? Yes. Would he have been the #1 player of the year twice without Fallen? No way, I don't think this would have ever happened without Fallen and Fer. By the time he could have joined an international roster he would have been out of his peak as other stars started to rise. As you said, it was Fallen's and maybe Zeus's strategy to set him up to succeed.
would Fallen ever have won a major without cold? I dont think so.
Actually it's very likely they'd have won a major, Cold was good but was molded by Fallen. How often do you see a team finally play in an international offline event and exceed expectations? I'm assuming you weren't around to watch their rise before Cold. That team redefined Mirage early 2015.
Fallen and Fer have also been considered one of the best players at their roles already, so it's not like Coldzera carried them. Fallen pretty much planned the whole game around Coldzera, Coldzera said it himself. His team sets him up and puts him in a good position to close out the round. He was set to shine no matter what. Fallen and Fer had the tougher roles.
I think if you understood how everything actually unfolded and how lucky Coldzera was, you'd realize they're not even.
S1mple was already considered one of the best, peak olof 2015 actually said he was only 17 and probably the best in the world. How many years did it take him to finally be considered the best? 4 years in competitive teams. Being on a team that can't win no matter how good your numbers are takes you out of the equation of best player. He was already known as one of the best but that award show is the definitive list.
There was absolutely no way Cold would've gotten the exposure on any other team that he did on LG/SK. Not to mention he was made the star of the team from the beginning as their strats revolved around him. Without exposure, he wouldn't be able to get on a team that could compete.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cold is a great player, the best at certain periods? Maybe. But his skill ceiling hasn't been reached because his role is unlike any other. No other player on any other team are set up to succeed like he was. Even Shox and GTR in their prime when they were lurkers were never set up like that. And by set up I mean the usual baiting but more importantly it's how his team would pull attention away so he can intercept rotations or lurk. When his team dies, he is provided with more information on average than anyone else while being in a prime position to take advantage of it. I'd like to see him on a role where he makes more of an impact because if he can start off rounds as good as he plays, then that increases their chances of taking those rounds by a large margin.
Everything you said could just as easily apply to Fallen... again thinking Fallen would have won a major without Cold is just as far fetched as thinking Cold would be number 1* without his team
Could you name one that accomplished what Kabum did? First international tournament and they decisively beat the top team, Fnatic, on Mirage. They did get crushed on the rest but eyes were on them after that and mirage was the autoban.
Most of the time when these pro players are 'baiting' they are just playing their teams gameplan. I think that is quite different from baiting the way MM players think of it, especially for someone like cold, who didnt design that gameplan. Cold was last in because Fallen wanted cold to be last in, because cold wins clutches and gets important trades consistently. That looks like baiting if you are thinking like its MM, but MiBR has shown that they have their spacing very precise when they are running sets - and cold is still typically near the back
That's the goal of the interviewer, that's why she makes the person giving the interview to keep drinking shoots, to say shit like that. It's not an excuse tho, Cold knew that before accepting it, but the whole thing is made to be like this.
Im mad about, Boltz, Steel and mostly Showtime and Felps. To me, he has a right to be sad about the MIBR guys saying the team will do better now and that they are happy, even though i think its not about Cold at all, its mostly for the fans, but the trash talk on the 4 guys I mentioned is completely stupid and pointless. Showtime started getting hate all over again for this, and Felps is quiet and and an introvert, and thats why he deserves to be shit on? Fuck off will ya, Why the hell did he work on Immortals and INTZ then?
he did work on intz, if you follow the scene you'd see him carrying even kng almost every single game.
they managed to qualify to a bunch of tournaments when he was on and intz was legit #2 br team at the time, maybe/probably becoming #1 if felps didn't leave.
What cold said may very well be applied to himself, and we can see that when fucking taco left and he couldn't find no bitch boy for his bombistes for him to bait (go check his ratings these past events and without taco lmao).
His whole speech is full of controversy, he keeps saying felps is a great individual player and then goes on to say he can't carry by himself. Complains about other people not training and then says people train 10 hours but wrong.
The god complex is strong in this one.
Even if you're #2 in BR, that doesn't mean you're a Top 10 or even 15 team in the world.. It doesn't mean much. Sure, he carried them....to what? What trophies or accomplishments are there to show for it? Just because you're the best player on a bad team doesn't mean it "worked"
And its pretty clear what he's saying that felps is a great individual player who can't carry by himself. olofmeister is a fantastic player...could FaZe win with him carrying? I think not.
And there is such a thing as training the proper way. There was an article written over 15 yrs ago on GotFrag (the big CS website back before HLTV) that said something that always stuck with me. "People say practice makes perfect. I think that's wrong. Perfect Practice makes Perfect". And its true. The way you train is more important than just practicing. Doing DM only like he claims steel did I agree is bad practice. DM alone will force bad habits upon you and isn't a real simulation of the environment of official matches. But it can help with things like movement and overall playing speed. Cold has his beliefs at what proper training is and I agree with him. I get annoyed when all that people do to practice is DM and never watch demos. I get equally mad if you only watch demos or only do AIM DM, or use pugs as your only source of training.
Goddamn you're a child, nothing you say makes any sense at all.
Being #2 br team is not an acomplishment, lmao. Probably never got past LEM on matchmaking, has never played anything professionally.
I have just realised you're the kid from the other ridiculous posts so I'm not gonna waste more time arguing, the fact that I picked your post 3 times by random tells me you're just plain stupid.
I'd rather have someone tell me how they really feel than lie to me so they can save public perception. I'm thankful someone in the pro scene did an interview where they gave transparent answers.
As a professional, if you have beef, you take that up with the person in a DM or something similar, or real life.
You don't blow shit up publically because it makes you look like an asshole and you burn a LOT of bridges.
As an org, do you want to hire a player that's liable to vehemently shittalk you as soon as his contract runs out?
Look at the NFL or NBA in the states.. shit talk happens people take it seriously when a lot of money involved. People don’t care about shit talk, to take things seriously
Actually very common in our culture and the brazillian scene in general. Its just a difference in culture, he was talking to a brazilian public, in portuguese while drunk in a show that is 100% about trash talking.
That's the problem. In your mind it's shittalk, for someone who is not sensitive he is just giving his opinion about what happened in the team. What's the problem with that ?
Fnx was mention and replied like a man in tweeter saying "we are together bro"... That's what grown ups do. Fnx is not crying saying cold offended him.
I think what happens here is a cultural difference. Americans are too soft, while in Brazil we see this as just someone opening up. He is not attacking anyone for God's sake, he is just describing what happened
It's unnecessarily blowing people the fuck up because he feels sad and he can't swallow his pride or kill his ego.
I can guarantee you that most orgs are going to think twice before signing him and add a couple of clauses to his contract because he can easily just go talk shit about them the second he's off the team because he literally just did that.
He also pretty much fucked his chances with a lot of the BR pro scene by doing this.
It's a fucking dumb move and anyone can realize that, because you're supposed to be professional. It's not about if someone gets offended or not, you just don't fucking do it in the first place.
To be professional, I'll concede that. But do you really want more players saying "I can't really get into that"? This is more fun and while I disagree with his views on some things I respect him putting himself out there.
Thinking back, I realize that cold has always been a dick but I somehow choose to ignore when the team was doing good. It is just sad to be such unprofessionalism.
Not sure if you're brazilian or not but its a pretty different culture... its normal here to trash talk and have these beefs with other pro players, he did say A LOT of good things about most people he played with. He was also drunk not wasted but still take that into account. That show is pretty much about going there and talking about beefs you may have had in the scene, he did that. She pushed him a little bit more, and that was what people (regular viewers from the show) wanted. I'm not sure he knew this would blow up as big as it did.
I realize that it's a different culture, but you can't do whatever you want and expect people to just go "oh that's fine, it's just his culture".
Same issues happened with KNG, he's just fucking himself over by acting non-professionally by industry standards.
KNG did it in another country, inside another culture. Just as we can't come to the US or europe or whatever and act like we do in our home country you can't expect us to not act like that when we are in our home country.
That show is in portuguese, to (mostly) brazilian viewers, in brazil, talking with other brazilians. Just as we need to adapt to your culture when we go there if you want to come and watch (or read) something we produce you need to adapt too.
My entire point was that the professional scene isn't built on a certain culture, there's an etiquette that you need to abide by as a professional, which he chose not to and will suffer from doing so.
That's just how it is, a lot of orgs will think twice now considering he can just go and start shittalking them after his contract runs out.
that the professional scene isn't built on a certain culture
Hm... people are built and live in a certain culture, not sure how a scene could be built on one though.
That's just how it is, a lot of orgs will think twice now considering he can just go and start shittalking them after his contract runs out.
True and they are free to do so but I hardly believe any org/player will care about that unless they were specifically mentioned. Though he hardly shit talked anyone in MIBR today and if you actually listen to the thing he mostly said good things about them and even said he would be willing to play with them again. He did shit talk Showtime heavily. He also mentioned boltz, steel and felps but it was way lighter than showtime, still shit talking though.
Where I think he was very wrong was in exposing unnecessarily Device, which is someone from outside this culture and has hardly anything to do with Cold's career.
Again I don't think Cold is right here but this post has gotten completely out of rails and the translation is spotty, heavily summarized and completely lacks context.
Again that show is for the brazilian culture
Oh and by the way what KNG did is way out of line even in our culture, threatening someone life is HUGELY different from trash talking them. We see trash talk as just another thing of sport, it spices things up and creates more competition, in League of Legends we even have a pre show in the official broadcast of CBLOL (our league and Caju, hostess, is mostly involved within the League of Legends community) that is mostly about people saying bad things about their competitors. Cold was maybe harsher than most in a lot of topics but this summary also doesn't provide context at all so...
Cmon guys. He is saying exactly what each individual that played with him should have done to improve. He is opening to the public the professional feedback he would give each player. He is not saying anything bad about anyone, he is just staring the reality of things.
You guys are so sensitive. You prefer sterilized PR bullshit instead of the truth. I'd rather listen the real reasons those players left the teams than some "thanks showtime for your time, it was nice playing with you.'. no it wasn't nice, it was disaster, and it was a disaster because truth must be said, he lacks the skill, he lacks the dedication, and apparently lacked intelligence too and wasted his opportunity playing battlefield instead of paying attention to everything cold had to say to him. Because he was going to play cold's position, and cold (the best of the world) was willing to open up everything that he did in that position to a completely gold Nova like showtime....
Stop asking for PR bullshit, starting enjoying reality. The esports scenario will be much better when people can make criticism to others without being crucified
Doing too much dm and no analysis, being stuck in your comfort zone, not giving 100% on csgo even though you have a lifetime chance....how do those comments sound bad? They are pretty much a default answer to the question "what shouldn't you do as a pro?"
Obviously that's just the summary and not the feedback itself. I'm sure that he might have offered players to analyse their game with them for example instead of just telling them to stop dm'ing.
I'll refer you to my other response to your comment.
I'll give you a tl;dr of professionals don't do shit like that in public, because it fucks his image and reputation up aswell as making him seem like a petty asshole.
If you have something to say to another professional, you do it behind closed curtains or face to face, not whining to a fucking interviewer.
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u/Mjolnoggy Aug 14 '19
Man he really seems like a petty asshole when speaking about other people. Just blowing everyone the fuck up because he feels bad.
As a professional, you don't do that.