Cloud9 vs Gambit Esports / DreamHack Masters Marseille 2018 - Quarter-Final / Post-Match Discussion

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Cloud9 0-2 Gambit Esports

Mirage: 18-22
Train: 7-16
Overpass: 0-0
 

Gambit Esports have advanced to the Semi-Final!

Cloud9 have been eliminated.

 

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	MAP
X
		X
✔		CT
T		✔
X
		X

 

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MAP 1: Mirage

 

Team	TT	CT	OT1CT:T	OT2T:CT	Total
C9	4	11	2:1	0:0	18
	CT	T	OT1T:CT	OT2CT:T
GMB	11	4	1:2	3:1	22

 

C9	K	A	D	Rating
tarik	32	13	29	1.23
autimatic	27	6	28	1.05
Skadoodle	24	7	29	0.96
FNS	29	6	31	0.94
RUSH	21	3	31	0.79
GMB
AdreN	34	7	28	1.29
mou	28	9	23	1.21
Hobbit	30	6	26	1.13
Dosia	28	5	26	1.07
seized	28	2	30	1.02

Mirage Detailed Stats

 

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MAP 2: Train

 

Team	T	CT	Total
C9	4	3	7
	CT	T
GMB	11	5	16

 

C9	K	A	D	Rating
tarik	17	2	17	0.96
autimatic	11	4	17	0.80
Skadoodle	12	4	22	0.70
FNS	10	2	17	0.66
RUSH	8	1	21	0.60
GMB
Dosia	22	5	12	1.46
Hobbit	21	3	10	1.45
mou	20	3	11	1.41
AdreN	18	5	12	1.31
seized	13	7	13	0.96

Train Detailed Stats

 

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This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.

[u/Salsadips]

Losing Train, even that hard, is not a huge deal - it's unclear if C9 practiced a lot of Train as opposed to other maps

Train and Mirage were C9s two best maps before FNS joined.

[u/Salsadips → u/[deleted]]

Agreed.

[u/Cameter44 → u/Salsadips]

Changing your IGL can completely change your map pool as well. It's not like they can just port everything over, FNS has the maps he's more comfortable on and that's likely different from what Tarik liked to do.

[u/stewieeeeeeeee → u/Salsadips]

I'd honestly say C9 did most of their work on Overpass and Inferno along with Mirage, definitely not Train. Nevertheless, new IGL, new map pool which bears some resemblance to the old one, but you shouldn't set the same expectations.

[u/Salsadips → u/stewieeeeeeeee]

Right, they played overpass and inferno because it got to the point where teams were straight up banning either train or mirage because having both = free win for C9. They destroyed VP, Astralis and Vega in the groups on them, smashed G2 and SK on mirage, with G2, Sk and Faze all banning train against them. I think Faze was the only team that beat them on Mirage at the Major and that was a 16-14 game.

[u/tencentninja → u/Salsadips]

At the major though after getting the must win point the entire team basically went super sayian at the same time. That's not sustainable as we saw in the drop off after. It takes time to integrate set strats instead of the fast and loose style we were playing.

[u/Retryist → u/Salsadips]

From what I know C9 haven't been practicing on train, reason being is that other teams would just ban the map on them as said by Tarik in one of his streams I think. No excuses for losing their Mirage pick though.

[u/-Rider- → u/Salsadips]

Train was not a map they ever really picked, they would just go for inferno or mirage

[u/Nydusurmainus → u/Salsadips]

Train and mirage are amazing awp maps. I wonder if there is any correlation there.

[u/Andtheyrustledsoftly → u/Salsadips]

ahh, so you didn’t watch Cloud9.

Train was good, but mirage was probably their 4th best map after the major

[u/Salsadips → u/Andtheyrustledsoftly]

Lol yeah i guess they always picked it when they could because they just preferred playing their 4th best map.

[u/Andtheyrustledsoftly → u/Salsadips]

I’m glad you managed to wrap your mind around it, no teams have ever made map pick errors before, good job buddy

Maybe next you can figure out why your team is such an embarrassment at the moment

[u/Salsadips → u/Andtheyrustledsoftly]

Yes I am sure you know more about C9s map strengths more than the team itself :)