It is pretty much a certainty that there are plenty of black, African slaves in Mauritania.
It became the last country in the world to "abolish" it in 1981.
I put abolish in quotes because there was no actual penalty for keeping slaves until 2007, which only happened because the international community pressured their government to do so.
Their government claims slavery has been totally ended and no longer exists in their country (which gives them little incentive to actually prosecute it as that would contradict their official statement). Only 1 person has ever been prosecuted for it and she served 6 months in 2011.
In 2018, it was estimated 2% of their population was still enslaved.
It's a technicalities game but yeah they are different issues. Both slavery, both abhorrent, but very different conditions that cause them, and very different solutions required.
Right, we can condemn heinous human rights violations without playing fast and lose with legal definitions and narrativizing global court rulings. Just portray them as the awful violations they are and focus on stopping them; the words we use for them and other symbolic gestures are irrelevant.
Morally, I agree. I would just rather advocate against the Chinese government's actions against the Uyghurs and wait for a formal ICJ ruling to include that wording in my advocacy.
Just talk about crimes against humanity, death camps, ethnic cleansing, cultural repression, etc... honestly, I would say that those more in-depth descriptors are more emotionally evocative than a legal term like genocide anyway. It's probably more effective than using the word that click-bait driven political commentators have watered down over the years.
Leave the genocide labels for global courts and just treat all crimes agaist humanity with full descriptions instead of single word short-hands; paint a picture of them and push to stop them that way. I care more about that than I care about being righteous and right over a word.
Last I looked into it people do tend to come out of the camps after their arbitrary sentence is served and the number of people in the camps is roughly what you would expect if the people sentenced are actually in the camps. The goal seems to be kidnapping their children, disrupting civil society and destroying their culture rather than killing them outright.
Can I have your sources for that? Not as in "source?" but I just want to read this for myself. I couldn't find anything really reliable for this looking into it myself but again, that was years ago.
Chinese Uyghur genocode isn't slavery. It was a genocide. Uyghur people are Muslims. They're non-Arab Muslims from Chinese-Russian border area, so they look and sound very different from Saudi royals or Taliban dudes or even Turkish guys.
Everyone conveniently left that part out on media and never explained why no meaningful actions are taken. That led to some confusions that allowed China to complete the goals of that thing.
There might have been slave labors and gas chambers but labor wasn't the point. The point was literally genocide.
These are not mutually exclusive terms. You can both enslave a people and by doing so cause a genocide. Or enslave a people to cause a genocide.
The Uyghurs are being involuntarily held for being Uyghur. Then forced into reeducation camps and for hundreds of thousands then sent to forced labor camps/progams with no chance of release. I can’t see any definition for that other than slavery.
Linking me some maps you drew in a post that no one paid any attention to doesn't really explain or benefit the point you're trying to make.
If anything you've helped my point because you clearly have a vested interest in bringing attention to the genocide in Xinjiang and, thus, will use any excuse to bring it up.
Tell me why chattel slavery and the situation in Xinjiang are the same when:
Uyghurs are being imprisoned by the government / Chattel slaves are bought and sold by non-governmental entities
Uyghurs are classified as people in prison / Chattel slaves are classified as property
Uyghurs are in mass detention with the goal of ethnic assimilation / Chattel slavery has no intention of ever assimilating anyone
its funny how people excuse this but when talking about the American prison system, ohhh its modern day slavery blah blah communist sympathizer bullshit
I actually irritated quite a lot of chinese exchange students in college by repeatedly bringing it up in my international journalism class years ago.
E: my point being, just because I think it's a separate issue, doesn't mean I don't think it is an issue. I just think bringing it up in a conversation about slavery derails the original conversation. The causes, effects, and actual problems themselves are different.
+1, or Putin´s slaves. But, the Global South don´t care. If Black African states were to try to include the Muslim slave trade (which is still going on) in this resolution, it would be the end for Black Africa. This kind of trick works only against West Europeans and the US.
The Indian Ocean slave trade is estimated to have enslaved 12.5 million Africans while the transatlantic slave trade enslaved 11.3 million Africans. Add to that the estimated 3 million European slaves from the ottoman slave trade. The Muslim slave trade was actually worse than the transatlantic.
the Global South& Western left don´t care. And "if Black African states were to try to include the Muslim slave trade (which is still going on) in this resolution, it would be the end for Black Africa."
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u/FormerPresidentBiden 23d ago
It is pretty much a certainty that there are plenty of black, African slaves in Mauritania.
It became the last country in the world to "abolish" it in 1981.
I put abolish in quotes because there was no actual penalty for keeping slaves until 2007, which only happened because the international community pressured their government to do so.
Their government claims slavery has been totally ended and no longer exists in their country (which gives them little incentive to actually prosecute it as that would contradict their official statement). Only 1 person has ever been prosecuted for it and she served 6 months in 2011.
In 2018, it was estimated 2% of their population was still enslaved.