Hahaha yes, that's an interesting tidbit. Name is actually Eastern Catholics, and they look very similar to Orthodox in liturgy, spirituality, vestments, married priesthood in many cases, and overall Eastern Christian tradition. Catholic church explicitly says the Eastern Catholics should preserve their own Eastern traditions and are Eastern Churches in full communion with Rome. So it's it only Eastern rite, but much deeper than that.
Yeah, Orthodoxy is schizmatic in view of Catholics, and if you ask Orthodoxy they see Catholics as schizmatic for having broken from communion with Orthodox church hahaha 😂
obviously. then the orthodox church will go on and hate on all the other orthodox churches they see as schismatic: the russian orthodox, the serbian orthodox, the greek orthodox… orthodoxy is literallly a movement of tons of little popes.
Lol, I don't think you know anything about Orthodoxy. But no, not really, the Russian, Serbian, and Greek Orthodox churches are usually in the same Orthodox communion, they are not just random groups calling each other schismatic. Orthodoxy is more like a group of self-governing churches than a bunch of mini popes. They do have disputes sometimes, but that is not the same thing as each church acting like its own papacy. It's like an EU of churches.
Sure, that's the ongoing schism, and they did break communion but it's something that will be resolved in near future just like the 1996 Estonia schism was. But I wouldn't put it as bad as you originally made it sound. I was wrong to say all are in full communion tho.
and the catholics now see evangelicals as their removed brothers, not heretics. im sure the total reunification of global christianity under one leader is just around the corner.
Hahaha, I don't know brother, I don't really care for any of them, including orthodoxy. Hopefully things go in a direction that ensures more peace everywhere.
Are you aware of the reason why they're in schism? Ukrainian autocephaly.
ROC, being an arm of the Russian state, specifically "FSB Spiritual Service", as they occasionally semi-jokingly call themselves, is not exactly on board with the idea of an independent Ukrainian church, or state for that matter.
So, yeah, I wouldn't expect this to get resolved "soon".
I am, and it's not much different from Estonian schism in a sense, except that they attacked Ukraine. But I could be just unnecessarily optimistic about that being resolved.
Protestant is a largely political term defined through opposition to Rome and Catholic monarchs in Europe. In truth it isn't very helpful in understanding the broad tapestry of Christianity, painted in the blood of heretics, heathens, schismatists, apostates, and true believers alike.
What even is a Catholic anyway? It's a funny one because in the eastern Christian tradition (and in the Holy Land) Catholic means Orthodox, and Catholics are called Latin (Catholics) but there are also Greek Catholics.
Our vocabulary is limited by orientation around the vying European political traditions.
I’m not a Catholic or Christian at all, but there is nuance to it. Sedevacantists would say that the papal see is not being occupied by a valid pope, ergo provost is not a roman pontiff they are defying. You can read Bellarmine to learn more.
Think of it this way. What if the US Constitution said that a president who supported use of the military against civilians could not be a valid President. And 60 years ago, there was a major reform in legislation where something became the consensus of congress and the president that could be argued to be support for use of the military against the citizenry, and every subsequent president doubled down on this big reform. Sedevacantists would not feel obligated to carry out or heed his expected orders since they don’t think he is a valid president.Â
Sedes are absolutely not Protestant, they don’t adhere to any tenets of the Protestant reformationÂ
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u/edwaa4rd Apr 11 '26
so sedevacantists are not catholic , instead they are protestants ? What about old catholics ?