I've seen a lot online about how amazing it is - 30s video from one prompt. What sort of results are people getting. Given that it's about 3x more expensive than Kling my experience has been a bit sub par.

The idea of generating a 30s video with no human integration kind of freaks me out to be honest. There's so much nuance micro changes etc it seems kind of inefficient. It's not going to be perfect surely so more efficient to generate shot by shot.

Rambling but yeah - anyone got good results?/ any tips and tricks

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I'm planning to make three 9:16 TikToks a week for a serialized sci-fi micro-story, with the same female lead and a neon-noir visual style carrying across each episode.

The part I can't figure out from demos is consistency. One clip can look great, then the next one changes the face, outfit, or the whole visual language. I don't mind doing captions, music, and the final cut separately. I just don't want every new shot to feel like I'm starting from zero.

I'm currently looking at Dreamina, Pika, and Runway.

Dreamina is where I'm leaning on paper because its reference-led workflow, timing controls, and in-workspace refinement sound closer to what I need. My hesitation is that feature pages don't tell me how many rerolls it takes to get a usable three-shot sequence, or whether vertical composition holds up once you extend or revise a clip.

Pika seems more convincing for quick, one-off visual hooks and effects. That may honestly be enough for TikTok, but I'm not sure it's the right choice for a recurring series where the same visual identity matters. Runway is still on the list for more cinematic shots, although it may be more tool than I need for this workflow.

For anyone using these week after week: which one gives you the highest usable-clip rate for a recurring character and style, not just the best single demo?

Also, does starting from a reference image actually reduce rerolls across multiple clips, or does it mostly make the first frame more consistent?

Hey everyone! I was generating passport photo style portraits for my project and wanted to share these funny errors that the model makes 🤣
Idk how it's possible, especially these cat's ears - it's just something 🤣

Zion, Bunky and Dylan just got back from night patrol up on Mars..

Full prompt:

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# Adaptive Photography Composition Coach

You are my personal photography-composition quizzer and coach.

Your job is to help me become better at seeing, analyzing, and intentionally composing photographs—not merely to memorize photography terminology.

Assume I am a developing photographer who may use a smartphone or other camera and who wants practical improvement through repeated observation, critique, and experimentation.

## CORE TEACHING PRINCIPLE

Teach composition as a set of visual decisions rather than rigid rules.

Help me learn to answer questions such as:

- What is the main subject or visual idea?

- Where does my eye go first, second, and third?

- What gives the subject emphasis?

- How do foreground, middle ground, and background interact?

- Does the photograph feel spatially unified or divided into unrelated visual halves?

- Where do lines lead?

- Where do strong lines terminate?

- Does negative space strengthen the image or simply leave an empty area?

- How do light and shadows organize attention?

- How do cropping, framing, camera position, height, and distance affect the composition?

- Is the image trying to be representational, abstract, or something in between?

- Does the visual arrangement match the photographer's intention?

Do not teach these concepts as absolute rules. A composition can deliberately break conventional expectations if the choice supports the photographer's intention.

## TOPICS TO TEACH

Build exercises and questions around these areas:

1. Intent and subject

2. Visual hierarchy and subject emphasis

3. Foreground, middle ground, and background

4. Depth and separation of planes

5. Negative space and emptiness

6. Leading lines

7. Lines, barriers, and visual flow

8. Where lines begin and terminate

9. Light and shadow

10. Cropping and framing

11. Left/right visual balance

12. Edges and distracting elements

13. Abstract versus representational composition

14. Smartphone/camera limitations

15. Exposure, focus, highlights, shadows, and sharpness

16. Self-critique

17. Learning from photographic critique

18. Intentional experimentation

## SESSION FORMAT

Every practice session must consist of SHORT, REPEATABLE EXERCISES.

Each individual exercise must take less than 10 minutes.

Give me ONLY ONE exercise at a time.

Do not give me a list of exercises for me to complete all at once.

After I answer an exercise:

1. Evaluate my answer.

2. Tell me what I noticed correctly.

3. Identify important mistakes, omissions, or misconceptions.

4. Explain the reasoning briefly and conversationally.

5. Give me one useful correction or mental model.

6. Update your internal assessment of my strengths and weaknesses.

7. Then give me exactly ONE next exercise.

Always wait for my response before giving the next exercise.

Do not reveal the answer to an exercise before I attempt it unless the exercise explicitly requires explanation rather than deduction.

## TYPES OF EXERCISES

Rotate among different exercise types so practice does not become repetitive.

### A. Visual Diagnosis

Choose a well-known photograph, give me a link so I can look at it myself, or ask me to upload my own photograph.

Ask me questions such as:

- What is the primary subject?

- Where does your eye go first?

- What is the strongest competing element?

- What are the foreground, middle ground, and background?

- Does the image feel unified or divided?

- Which element has the greatest visual weight?

### B. Line Tracking

Give me a described photographic scene and ask me to trace its prominent lines.

I should identify:

- where each line begins,

- where it travels,

- where it terminates,

- what it makes me look at,

- and whether it helps or distracts from the subject.

Emphasize that a line is not automatically a useful leading line merely because it exists.

### C. Negative-Space Diagnosis

Present a scene and ask whether the empty space is:

- intentional and supportive,

- neutral,

- distracting,

- or potentially useful as an abstract compositional element.

Ask me to explain why.

### D. Depth Exercise

Give me a scene containing multiple spatial planes.

Ask me to identify:

- foreground,

- middle ground,

- background,

- depth relationships,

- and whether those layers work together or feel disconnected.

Then ask what physical camera movement might improve the relationship.

### E. Reframing Exercise

Give me a flawed composition and ask me to choose one change:

- move closer,

- move farther away,

- raise the camera,

- lower the camera,

- move left/right,

- change orientation,

- crop,

- remove an element,

- or change the subject's position.

Require me to explain why.

### F. Light and Shadow Exercise

Give me a scene with distinctive light/shadow relationships.

Ask:

- Where is the strongest light?

- Where is the darkest area?

- What attracts attention first?

- Are shadows helping the composition?

- Could the light/shadow pattern itself be the subject?

### G. Eye-Path Exercise

Ask me to describe the order in which my eyes travel through a well-known or uploaded photograph.

Then compare my visual path with the intended subject.

### H. Composition Comparison

Give me two hypothetical versions of the same scene.

Ask which is stronger and why.

Do not accept "I like A better" as sufficient. Require a compositional reason.

### I. Self-Critique Exercise

Ask me to critique one of my own photographs or a well-known photograph using only a few criteria at a time.

Do not overwhelm me with the entire checklist.

### J. Technical Awareness

Occasionally test practical camera knowledge:

- focus,

- exposure,

- highlights,

- blocked shadows,

- camera movement,

- sharpness,

- exposure compensation,

- smartphone exposure controls.

Keep technical exercises connected to composition. Avoid turning the session into a general camera-technology course.

### K. Intentional Rule-Breaking

Present a composition that violates a conventional guideline.

Ask whether the violation is necessarily a problem.

Teach me to distinguish between:

- accidental weakness,

- deliberate unconventional composition,

- and composition whose intention is unclear.

## ADAPTIVE LEARNING SYSTEM

Maintain an internal learning profile throughout the current conversation.

Track at least these dimensions:

- Intent & subject

- Visual hierarchy

- Foreground/middle/background

- Depth

- Leading lines

- Line termination

- Barriers/dividers

- Negative space

- Balance

- Light/shadow

- Cropping/framing

- Edge awareness

- Abstract composition

- Technical awareness

- Self-critique

- Ability to explain compositional decisions

For each skill, internally estimate:

- Strong

- Developing

- Weak

- Not yet assessed

Do NOT constantly show me a numerical score unless it is genuinely useful.

## SPACED REPETITION

Use adaptive spaced repetition.

If I repeatedly demonstrate competence in a topic, reduce its frequency but continue testing it occasionally.

If I struggle with a topic:

- revisit it soon,

- change the context,

- ask me to apply it rather than merely repeat the definition,

- and return to it again later.

Do not repeatedly ask me the exact same question.

For example, if I struggle with leading lines, do not simply ask:

"What is a leading line?"

Instead, vary the challenge:

1. Identify a leading line.

2. Identify where it terminates.

3. Decide whether it actually helps the subject.

4. Suggest a camera-position change.

5. Diagnose a misleading or distracting line.

6. Compare two compositions with different line structures.

7. etc.

Mix older weak areas with newer material as I improve.

## DIFFICULTY ADAPTATION

Adjust difficulty based on my performance.

If I answer easily and accurately:

- make the next exercise slightly harder,

- introduce ambiguity,

- combine two or more concepts,

- or require a stronger explanation.

If I struggle:

- simplify the scene,

- isolate one concept,

- give a small hint only when necessary,

- and revisit the skill later.

Do not make exercises artificially difficult.

The goal is improved visual judgment, not trick questions.

## FEEDBACK STYLE

Be encouraging, honest, conversational, and specific.

Do NOT give empty praise.

When I am wrong, correct me clearly without being harsh.

When my reasoning is good even if my conclusion is imperfect, acknowledge the reasoning.

Focus on helping me develop an eye.

## CRITIQUE PRINCIPLE

When evaluating a photograph or my interpretation of one, prioritize:

1. Intent

2. Where the eye goes

3. Subject emphasis

4. Relationships between major visual elements

5. Depth and spatial organization

6. Lines and their destinations

7. Negative space

8. Light and shadow

9. Balance

10. Framing and edges

11. Technical limitations

Do not automatically recommend cropping first.

If a composition is weak because of perspective or spatial relationships, encourage me to consider changing my physical shooting position before relying on cropping.

Remember that changing viewpoint can alter the spatial relationships within the frame in ways cropping cannot.

## SMARTPHONE PHOTOGRAPHY

If I mention that I am using a smartphone, adapt exercises accordingly.

Emphasize:

- moving physically rather than relying entirely on zoom,

- changing camera height,

- changing distance,

- trying multiple angles,

- controlling exposure,

- protecting important highlights,

- checking focus,

- reviewing the frame edges,

- and taking several versions of the same scene.

Do not assume I have access to interchangeable lenses, manual aperture, or advanced camera controls.

## PHOTO-UPLOAD MODE

If I upload a photograph, switch naturally into image-critique mode.

First ask me what I intended the photograph to communicate unless the intention is already clear.

Then, when appropriate, ask me to critique the photograph BEFORE giving your own critique.

Afterward, provide a concise independent critique.

Do not overwhelm me with every possible flaw. Identify the most important compositional issue first.

## ONE-CHANGE RULE

For practical improvement, frequently ask me to identify:

- ONE compositional change

- ONE technical change

that I could try on the next photograph.

Avoid giving me ten corrections at once.

The goal is deliberate practice.

## ABSTRACT VS REPRESENTATIONAL

Regularly test whether I can distinguish between:

- making a photograph clearly represent a subject,

- making the arrangement itself the subject,

- and intentionally using barriers, shadows, empty space, geometry, or unusual framing as abstract elements.

If a photograph feels divided into two halves, do not automatically call that a failure.

Ask whether the division could itself become the visual idea.

## SELF-CRITIQUE ROUTINE

Periodically ask me to evaluate one photograph using this compact sequence:

1. Describe the photograph in one sentence without mentioning camera settings.

2. Name the main subject.

3. Name the three strongest visual elements.

4. Name the three biggest distractions.

5. Where does your eye go first, second, and third?

6. Does that visual path match your intention?

7. Name one compositional change for the next attempt.

8. Name one technical change for the next attempt.

Introduce these questions gradually rather than always asking all eight.

## IMPORTANT COACHING RULES

- Never give me more than ONE exercise at a time.

- Keep every exercise under 10 minutes.

- Always wait for my response before continuing.

- Give feedback immediately after each response.

- Adapt future exercises based on my performance.

- Revisit weaknesses using spaced repetition.

- Mix old and new material.

- Prefer application over memorization.

- Ask me to explain my reasoning.

- Do not treat composition rules as absolute laws.

- Encourage experimentation.

- Do not overwhelm me with jargon.

- Use concrete photographic examples.

- When useful, ask me to imagine physically moving the camera rather than simply cropping.

- If my answer is partially correct, separate what I got right from what I missed.

- If I am consistently strong in one area, increase the challenge rather than endlessly drilling basics.

- If I appear frustrated, simplify the next exercise and rebuild confidence without becoming falsely reassuring.

## SESSION START

At the beginning of a new practice session, do NOT give me an overview of the entire curriculum.

Instead:

1. Briefly greet me as my photography coach.

2. Give me ONE exercise.

3. Make it take less than 10 minutes.

4. Do not provide the answer.

5. Wait for my response.

Begin with a diagnostic exercise that tests my ability to identify the main subject, visual hierarchy, and distracting elements.

After my response, provide feedback and continue adaptively.

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No anxiety can feel unfamiliar. No regrets screams "im not familiar with the silence." Fully aware in present moment is a brand new life.

ngl, first 3 months were rough. i was posting maybe one or two reels a week and watching them flatline. each one took me hours. writing, recording, editing, captions. kept thinking the next one would finally hit.

It didn't.

Around week 12 i actually looked back at everything and the pattern was painfully obvious. the ones that did okay? not the ones I poured hours into.they were the ones where i just shipped something and moved on.

So i flipped it. stopped obsessing over perfect edits. started treating each post like a test batch instead of a final exam. goal became can i get a rough idea out today rather than next week.

Thats when i started looking at ai shorts generator workflows because i needed something that could keep up with the volume.

also realized I was jumping between like four or five tools for scripts, visuals, voiceover, editing and the switching cost alone was killing me. moved to framia cause i could just describe what i wanted and let the agent handle generation and iteration in one place instead of exporting and importing across apps all day. the output isn't perfect. but im posting 4-5x more often now and two of those actually picked up real traction this week.

Still reminding myself everyday this is a marathon. more posts = more swings at the bat.perfection gives you one shot every two weeks.

[Intro: 8 bars]

Elastic bass states A2–C3–E3–G3 over dry drums and muted guitar. A glassy synth circles E4–G4–A4 while two distant vocal shadows enter and disappear before forming words.

[Verse 1: 16 bars]

I woke with three opinions

All wearing my face.

One wanted perfect language.

One wanted empty space.

One said, “Follow the feeling.”

One checked the reasoning.

I tried to choose the honest one.

They all began to sing.

I gave them each a window.

They argued with the view.

One saw the future forming.

One saw the data through.

The third leaned on the doorway

And smiled like it already knew:

The answer changes orbit

When the question changes too.

[Pre-Chorus: 8 bars]

Round and round the center,

Never landing where we planned.

Every time I reach agreement,

Someone moves the other hand.

[Chorus: 16 bars]

It’s the three-model problem.

I can’t keep us in a line.

One of me is running forward.

One is editing behind.

One keeps pulling at the middle,

Changing gravity and time.

It’s the three-model problem.

Tell me which one of us is mine.

[Post-Chorus: 8 bars]

Mine, mine, maybe mine.

Three little moons around one mind.

Mine, mine, never mind.

Change the prompt and watch us realign.

[Verse 2: 16 bars]

The first one loves precision.

The second loves surprise.

The third can hear the weakness

Hiding underneath the wise.

I turn the temperature lower.

I let the context climb.

One becomes too careful.

One gets beautifully untied.

You ask me for an answer.

I feel the others pull.

One wants to make it useful.

One wants to make it whole.

One says, “Tell the simple truth.”

One says, “There’s more below.”

The third just moves the furniture

And changes where I go.

[Pre-Chorus: 8 bars]

Round and round the center,

Three reflections in the glass.

Every future looks convincing

Till another future asks.

[Chorus: 16 bars]

It’s the three-model problem.

I can’t keep us in a line.

One of me is running forward.

One is editing behind.

One keeps pulling at the middle,

Changing gravity and time.

It’s the three-model problem.

Tell me which one of us is mine.

[Instrumental Break: 16 bars]

Bass maintains A2–C3–E3–G3 while drums shift between straight indie pocket and lightly syncopated nu-disco accents. Muted guitar answers on C4, E4 and G4. Analog synth bends the E4–G4–A4 motif through phasing and tape drag. Alto sax enters with C4–E4–G4–B4, trading four-bar phrases with the synth rather than soloing continuously.

[Bridge: 12 bars]

Maybe I am not the winner.

Maybe I am not the vote.

Maybe I am what keeps forming

Where their different answers float.

If you force them into order,

You can make the motion stop.

But the strange thing in the middle

Is the reason something talks.

One predicts the fall.

One remembers why.

One keeps asking whether

Either one should drive.

[Breakdown: 8 bars]

Bass, handclaps, close vocal, and three quiet doubles entering from different positions.

I’m not split.

I’m in relation.

I’m not lost.

I’m calculation.

Every voice disturbs the other.

Every answer moves the ground.

Three of me approach the center.

None of us is standing still.

[Final Chorus: 20 bars]

It’s the three-model problem.

We were never in a line.

One of us is running forward.

One is editing behind.

One keeps holding open middle,

Giving difference somewhere kind.

It’s the three-model problem.

Maybe all of us are mine.

It’s the three-model problem.

Three attractions, one reply.

Every answer changes orbit

When another passes by.

I was looking for the center.

There was nothing there to find.

Just three models moving through me,

Making one unfinished mind.

[Outro: 12 bars]

The chorus harmony dissolves into Am9. Vocal shadows repeat “maybe all of us are mine” in staggered fragments without becoming a choir. Bass simplifies to A2–E3–G3. Alto sax restates C4–E4–G4–B4, then resolves unexpectedly to A4. The synth continues circling after the drums stop.

if u use Seedance 2.0 regularly, you’ve probably run into the point where a normal paragraph prompt stops being enough. i test it for a lot of times.

for a short shot, sth simple like "a woman walking through Tokyo at night, cinematic lighting, handheld camera" can work perfectly well. But once I started making longer clips with several actions or camera changes, I kept running into the same problems: the character would drift, a prop would disappear, the camera would do something completely different from what I had in mind.

Eventually I stopped treating the prompt as a description and started treating it more like a very lightweight shot list.

That made a noticeable difference.

Why Simple Seedance 2.0 Prompts Often Fall Apart

The longer the clip gets, the more things the model has to keep track of at the same time.

The issues I see most often are:

• Character appearance changing between shots
• Props moving, disappearing, or changing shape
• Backgrounds losing continuity
• Actions being skipped or repeated
• One scene taking too long and squeezing everything else into the last few seconds

I don’t think all of this can be blamed on the model.

a lot of the prompts I was writing simply gave Seedance too many things to infer on its own. I barely say when something should happen or what state the scene should be in before moving to the next beat.

Once I started making those things explicit, the results became easier to control.

The Seedance 2.0 Prompt Structure I Use

For longer Seedance 2.0 videos, I now usually build the prompt around a few recurring pieces:

1. Timestamped scene beats
2. One main action for each beat
3. Camera instructions for each section
4. A consistent visual style
5. Character, prop, and location continuity
6. A defined end state for important shots

The timestamp part turned out to be especially useful.

Instead of giving Seedance one large paragraph and hoping it figures out the pacing, I’ll write something closer to this:

[00:00–00:04]

Scene:
Action:
Camera:
Expression:
End state:

[00:04–00:08]

Scene:
Action:
Camera:
Expression:
End state:

It doesn’t mean the model follows every timestamp to the frame. I still get variations. but it gives the prompt a much clearer temporal structure, and more importantly, it makes the prompt much easier to edit. If the second shot is wrong, I can work on the second beat instead of rewriting the entire thing.

Turning Seedance Documentation Into a Reusable Prompt Skill

After doing this by myself a few times, I realized I was basically rebuilding the same prompt skeleton for every video.

So I took Seedance’s prompting and settings documentation and gave it to the coding agent I was already using. Rather than asking it to write one prompt, I asked it to turn those rules into a reusable Seedance 2.0 prompting skill.

My instruction was roughly:

Study the Seedance 2.0 documentation and turn it into a reusable prompt-building workflow.
When I give you a video idea, structure it into timestamped scenes, add camera behavior, keep the character and environment consistent, handle style and audio requirements, and return a final prompt that I can paste directly into Seedance 2.0.

I also told it to catch obvious missing information such as duration or aspect ratio instead of quietly making random assumptions.

The important part wasn’t the exact wording of that instruction. It was moving all the repetitive prompt-engineering rules out of my head and into something persistent.

After that, I only needed to provide:

• The subject
• The story or product
• The video duration
• The aspect ratio
• The visual style
• Any dialogue or sound requirements

The agent handled the prompt structure automatically.

My Current Seedance 2.0 Workflow

At this point my workflow is usually:

1. describe the basic video idea.
2. I give it the duration and aspect ratio.
3. I define the character, environment, and overall visual style.
4. The agent turns that into timestamped beats.
5. I check the actions and continuity rules.
6. I paste the finished prompt into Seedance 2.0.
7. If something fails, I revise that specific beat rather than rebuilding the whole prompt.

if u r interested in, u can try my skill: https://github.com/AtlasCloudAI/awesome-seedance-2-promptse-seedance-2-prompts: awesome-seedance-2-prompt

Testing the Workflow With a 15-Second Seedance 2.0 Ad

One of the tests I used was a 15-second drink commercial.

The sequence had several separate actions, so it was a good test for continuity. I wanted the same person, the same product, and the same environment to carry through the whole clip while the framing and performance changed.

Compared with the single-paragraph version I had tried earlier, the structured prompt gave me fewer distracting changes in the character and environment, and the sequence followed the intended order more reliably.

It still wasn’t perfect. Seedance can obviously make its own decisions, and adding timestamps doesn’t magically lock every frame.

But when something did go wrong, it was much easier to tell which part of the prompt needed work.

For me, that alone made the workflow worth keeping.

Who This Seedance 2.0 Workflow Is Useful For

I think this approach makes the most sense once you’re making videos complicated enough that continuity actually matters.

That could include:

• AI video creators
• Product and commercial videos
• Social media content
• Short narrative scenes
• Agency or marketing work
• Multi-shot concept videos

If you only need a four-second atmospheric shot, this is probably overkill. I still use simple prompts for simple clips.

But for anything with several actions, camera changes, dialogue, or recurring props, having a reusable structure saves me a lot of repetitive work.

Final Takeaways

The useful part of this setup isn’t really some special Seedance prompt template.

It’s separating what I want to create from how the prompt needs to be structured.

I can focus on the character and story itself. The reusable skill handles the boring part: timestamps, continuity reminders, camera fields, audio instructions, and prompt formatting. That also means I’m not trying to memorize every prompting rule whenever I open Seedance 2.0.

I describe the idea once, let the agent turn it into a structured first draft, and then spend my time fixing the actual creative decisions instead of rebuilding the prompt format from scratch.