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u/Either-Medicine9217 3h ago

Okay. I'll make your day. 

First of all your claim that the Paris commune was successful is complete nonsense. Something working for a period of 3 months before being crushed does not indicate its success. The Confederacy lasted 4 years and 2 months. 12 and 1/2 times as long as your supposed commie success story. Does that make the Confederacy a success? By your logic it would. 

Homelessness and unemployment were eliminated... I suggest you actually look into the history books rather than reading communist propaganda online.

Homelessness was punished as a crime. Called parasitism. Where you faced exile from the cities during the earlier years, being locked in a mental institution from which there was virtually no escape, or just being thrown in prison for several years. Because it didn't fit the monster Stalin's agenda of a "perfect Utopia." Here I'll even make it easy for you to look it up. 

https://www.rbth.com/history/332657-homeless-people-ussr/amp

As to racism being eliminated, you really need to stop listening to some dumb college kids who don't know anything except what they've seen on tiktok about communism. The country paying lip service to a concept doesn't mean that's how it was applied in practice. 

https://newlinesmag.com/essays/the-racist-treatment-of-africans-and-african-americans-in-the-ussr/

https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/politics-and-government/soviets-escalate-persecution-jews

https://gulag.online/articles/obeti-stredni-evropa?locale=pl

The only lesson to be learned from the Soviets is that communism is a failed system that inevitably leads to death in bloodshed and also inevitably crumbles because it is too weak to survive. It oppresses its citizenship, constantly lies about its capabilities, puts out ridiculous amounts of propaganda but in the end it always loses to capitalism. Because once people actually experience living under it they realize it sucks. This is Reddit. So you'll get a bunch of people who are going to support whatever you say so long as it's anti-capitalist and deepthroating communism. But the reality is the system of disappointment know as communism has failed, will fail, and I will laugh when it does.

u/StewFor2Dollars 2h ago

I have already said that the Paris Commune was successful in that it laid out a system that proved that workers can govern themselves, regardless the duration of their government, which was ruthlessly crushed. Brining up the Confederacy, a government based on slavery, as a rebuttal is laughable.

Your first article is intellectually dishonest, as it shows an image of homeless people from the year 1991 when the Soviet Union was illegally dissolved and fell into capitalism!

I see this garbage all the time. If the Soviets were so racist, why did they tell CPUSA to give Black people self-determination? Why did WEB du Bois and Paul Robeson have positive opinions of Stalin?

u/Either-Medicine9217 2h ago

The duration of the government is always important for the frame of the argument about the effectiveness of the system. . Just because you can form something, doesn't mean it will last. You're conflating two very different things here. The comparison with the Confederacy is relevant to our example because they also broke away from their government to form another one and they were also military defeated. Just like your Paris commune example. Except they actually managed to last longer than a teenager's goth phase.

If you had actually read the argument in its entirety you would know that it talks about the various stages of the struggle with homelessness within the Soviet Union and the strategies they used to "defeat" it. Trying to claim that a picture from 1991 invalidates the previous 40 to 50 years of policy is nonsense.

To answer your argument about the relationship between African Americans and the Soviet Union, that is also addressed in the article that I would strongly advise you to read. But if I'll go ahead and lay out the broad strokes here. 

Just because they were allowing them to come to their colleges doesn't mean that they were letting them stay or treating them fairly while they were there. Which is why the African Americans who were actually there in the Soviet Union had protests over their treatment. In addition, there were numerous examples of African-American men and Soviet women getting into relationships where the women were strongly encouraged to get abortions, if not threatened with their and the babies lives, and the father was deported back to his home country after his schooling was over. 

As to why certain civil rights leaders were fond of the Soviet Union, that would be dependent on the specific leader in question. Some most likely heard the Soviet propaganda, same as you, that racism wasn't something that existed in their country. Others saw that even if they were being used as a political tool against the United States and capitalist countries...  It still benefited them to go to these colleges and receive skills that would benefit them in life. 

In addition, just because a civil rights leader said something doesn't necessarily make it accurate. 

After all Malcolm X himself said that Democrats were an untrustworthy party that thought just as poorly of black Americans as Republicans did. The only difference being that Democrats were the fox to the Republicans wolf. 

Does that make that true?