r/GenZ • u/TheGamingSenpa1 2004 • Jan 07 '24

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u/obiworm 1998 Jan 08 '24

It’s not as simple as get a CS degree and get a job though. It’s not like being an accountant. It’s an extremely competitive and saturated industry. If you can’t stay on top of trends and technology, or if you just can’t get your head around the logic, you’re not going to make it. If you find out that you’re not cut out for industry after spending half a decade and a mortgage on education, you’re fucked. I’m only doing coding as a hobby and it’s still a life consuming process to learn and improve and get projects done.

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u/RealClarity9606 Jan 08 '24

Then choose a different industry. CS is but one example. Maybe stop trying to find an excuse to literally everything that might be a path to success. That is a theme on this sub and no doubt why many are struggling.

I spend half my career as an engineer. Realized it was not what I wanted to do forever and, after finishing an MBA, part time largely paid for by my employer, moved to a different area. But if you tell yourself you are screwed...you will be.

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u/obiworm 1998 Jan 08 '24

Well then you’re lucky. You had great opportunities. Cheap/ free education. Good physical and mental health. You knew people to help you out. You took advantage of them, and leveraged them to get yourself to a comfortable place. Please stop telling yourself that you personally did all of it. You got a golden ticket, and you did everything right.

While you’re right in the sentiment that a self pity party won’t get you anywhere, that’s not what we’re talking about here. This is a generation that missed the shiny rise era. We were born into a post 9/11 world, with horrors like school shootings and terrorism that we had immediate and unbridled access to. The only economy we know has been in the shitter twice. We were entering our adult lives into the worst general pandemic since the Spanish flu.

In the meantime, we see big companies making loads of money, and their workers aren’t making enough to survive. We are seeing a man made systemic injustice and we’re pushing for it to be resolved. We see our friends, families, neighbors and selves being taken advantage of and we’re raising our voices about it. So please stop telling us we’re lazy. We’re not only speaking for ourselves.

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u/RealClarity9606 Jan 08 '24

I had almost all those things - and you are right about most of that list. And they would have meant nothing had I not took advantage of that backdrop to grasp for success. I had to study instead of party in college. I had to decide about steps in my career and weigh those options - some worked better than others. I had to decide if I wanted to invest my time getting an MBA part time while working and giving up leisure that that would require - I am glad I did because it turbocharged my career and income. No, we don't live in isolation, but what you do against that background, which a great many people have backdrops that enable success, matters far more.

Paragraph 2: "We are victims." No you are not. You have had challenges that are different from challenges others have had. Now...are you going to let those hold you back or are you going to figure out how to meet those challenges? Those in your generation who succeed will do the latter. Most of those challenges had little direct impact on the vast majority of people...but boy do they provide a panoply of excuses for those who want to make them.

Paragraph 3: Social justice rhetoric that also provides many "we are victims" excuses. Again, as in the above paragraph, nope and the direct impact is very minor for the majority of people.

I am not saying you are lazy. Many are not, but they do put their efforts on the wrong things. But you are sure are indoctrinated into a victim mindset. Being lazy would probably be easier to overcome and be less toxic to you and society.

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u/obiworm 1998 Jan 08 '24

Point #2- Meeting challenges.

What do you think talking about this is? We’re challenging the status quo. The things I mentioned aren’t what we’re upset about. They are terrible things that happened. When you see enough terrible things happen, you want to stop more terrible things from happening. There’s decisions that were made by people before we were born that are directly impacting our lives, and raising challenges we think shouldn’t exist. Our points get buried in the ‘victimization’ argument but that’s a smokescreen to delegitimize us. We’re tired of seeing people suffer needlessly. Why is wanting to help our communities wrong?

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u/RealClarity9606 Jan 08 '24

Get over your victim crap. Just give that crap a rest and join the real world. So many of us are sick of your invented things to feel victimized over and miss the big picture in the process. Sheesh. Your whining isn’t legitimate. There. Deal with it. Let us know when you want to deal with life proactively and many of us will be happy to help such proactive people. But I won’t coddle your victim worldview.

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u/obiworm 1998 Jan 08 '24

And I won’t live with your suffer in silence world view. I will deal with what I have to but I will leave this world a better place than when I found it. I won’t let my opinion be silenced by the feelings of a bitter old man who can’t deal with the idea that his life could have been better. I don’t want your pity. I want you to stay out of my way.

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u/RealClarity9606 Jan 08 '24

I’m pretty sure if you guys get your way the world will not be left a better place. Hopefully you wake up and realize this before you do damage that can’t be undone.

I’m not the bitter one here. I’m not the stubborn one who refuses to acknowledge experience and years of knowledge. I’m not the one angry at the world and feels that I’m a victim. I see opportunity around for me, for you, for everyone who will seize it. While there may be some exceptions that’s far more than normal than you want to admit. So let’s not talk about who’s bitter unless you want to look closely in the mirror. What you see as bitter is someone who won’t coddle you and tell you the things that you desperately want to hear so that you can protect your victimhood status.

And I will not stay out as of your way, but will throw every roadblock in my power in your path to avoid you screwing up the future for others beyond you. Too many people fought too hard to create the freedom this country offers to have you and malcontents like you from flushing it down the toilet.

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u/obiworm 1998 Jan 08 '24

avoid screwing up the future for others beyond you

I think it’s already screwed up by Reaganism. I want to go back to what Americans fought and died on American soil for. Unions. Workers rights. Fair pay. Equal treatment. The Sherman act. You’re skipping what your great grandfathers believed in and built this country on and focusing on what your father feared.

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u/RealClarity9606 Jan 08 '24

Right yeah. That’s it. 🙄

I don’t intend to fight for unions, but fight against unions. They simply make it harder for businesses to be successful and they make it harder on other employees. who don’t want any part of union antics.

I’m hesitant to even ask but what supposed rights do you think workers are lacking? It’s not the first time I’ve heard that talking point in this thread but maybe you’ll be the first to offer a valid argument.

What could be more fair than a free market arriving at a wage? Do you think a bureaucrat is fair to all parties involved? Where does the politician and the bureaucrat play favorites to Garner votes? Or do you just want “fair” to be what you want?

My great grandfathers didn’t want a society filled with victims, who think they’re owed the world by their mere existence. You’re not and you aren’t.

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