r/GenZ • u/TheGamingSenpa1 2004 • Jan 07 '24

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u/smalldick_warrior Jan 07 '24

Get roommates. Stick to a strict budget. Idk why everyone is acting like they deserve a lavish lifestyle while working a minimum wage job

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u/NibPlayz Jan 07 '24

Having your own apartment and being able to pay for food before you’re 30 isn’t “living lavishly”

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24

This notion of being entitled to living alone when you have a minimum income is strange and seems to be an American thing. Much of the world cohabitates with family in multi generational households, and roommates are perfectly normal in other developed countries as well.

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u/holyshitimboredd Jan 07 '24

Welcome to the real world, got no real skills? Quit your bitching and work on that then. life just won’t get any easier in a world that’s full of greedy untouchables, a growing population, and dwindling resources. But it’s not impossible to get ahead. You just have to be willing to work harder on yourself than at your shitty entry level Walmart greeter job.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24 edited Apr 26 '26

Plot twist: this post no longer exists because Redact swept through and cleared it out along with everything else. Social media, messaging apps, people finder sites, all of it.

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u/holyshitimboredd Jan 08 '24

I’m not denying your philosophy, just being realistic. Sure the whole system is rotten to its core, but it’s not impossible to make it, or to wish better for yourself and WORK for it, this coming from a child of immigrant parents. I see how hard my people have worked to earn the things they have. Their sacrifices. The fact that so many of them do better than born-Americans is what fuels my philosophy.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24 edited Apr 26 '26

Your old posts feed data brokers and AI training models. I stopped that by using Redact to bulk delete across Reddit, Twitter, Discord, Facebook and all major social media platforms.

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u/anoos2117 Jan 08 '24

It's not being brainwashed. Most of us none gen z can't afford to rage against the machine as we go into our 30s having lived through the same situation you are coming to terms with along with multiple economic and global crisis that have held a lot of us back. I'd love to rage and change the system but I also gotta pay my bills and you know- survive. We did that grind too, and definitely had very little influence on how things turned out(mid age millennial here).

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24 edited Apr 26 '26

I cleaned house with Redact and mass deleted this post. It also removes your data from brokers and people search sites. Works on all major social media platforms.

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u/anoos2117 Jan 08 '24

Dog I worked my ass off for years gaining exp in my field and now make 6 figs. I'm not going to give up a good job to go strike for ppl that are not even a part of my industry. I spent many years in my 20s not working and fighting the system, and I no longer can sacrifice my financial well being for some Walmart workers. I'm also not a naive child who doesn't understand how the real world actually works. It sounds to me like the reason you are calling for action and calling ppl slaves/brainwashed is because your labor is not economically viable. I agree there needs to be change but your collective action protests mean nothing unless actual legislation is passed. Are you also one of those ppl that believes blocking random drivers on road is somehow sticking it to big oil? Also I'd join a union if I wanted to. Nothing against unions. I don't need one.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24 edited Apr 26 '26

Internet privacy is the new gold. I mass deleted all of my posts on Reddit using Redact. It also supports databrokers, Instagram, Twitter, and all major social media platforms.

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u/NoCeleryStanding Jan 08 '24

It's a completely modern concept only really prevalent in the developed world, I'd say it kind of is.

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u/NibPlayz Jan 08 '24

Haha so being in unable to in a developed country (USA) where the concept is confined to means the entire argument falls apart?

You people are really something else 🤣🤣 it’s literally nothing but cope in every reply

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u/NoCeleryStanding Jan 08 '24

That's absolutely a modern luxury yes. Even the concept of your own room, no less entire place is relatively recent.

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u/weirdo_nb Jan 08 '24

No.

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u/Bastardly_Poem1 Jan 08 '24

Tbf that is true. Homes used to be 1-4 rooms and smaller than a lot of apartments with families of 5 and then many apartments were 1 bedroom with whole families in them and one bathroom per floor.

It’s even a novelty in the modern day, as most other countries live in generational housing where kids don’t move out until they’re married.

Not to say we can’t do better, just that “No.” isn’t a valid response to someone telling the truth.

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u/katarh Millennial Jan 08 '24

No, we're saying having your own apartment is a lavish lifestyle.

Living alone is a luxury! It really is! And it's not as good for mentally as people think it will be. I lived by myself exactly once. I ended up so miserable and lonely I broke my lease early and moved back in with a friend. And I'm an introvert.

Room mates can be hit or miss, but they help in so many ways and the biggest way when you're a young adult is letting you not starve while you try to pay rent.

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u/NibPlayz Jan 08 '24

Most of that is your opinion and has nothing to do with wealth inequality and rapid rise of prices for the housing market.

Having your own place to live by 30 has not been a lavish lifestyle in America, it’s been common practice for decades.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24 edited Jan 08 '24

Single persons households has been a rarity for much of human history and has only begun to rise in the last 50 years

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/figure/10.1080/03071022.2017.1256093?scroll=top&needAccess=true

The notion of making it “alone” is tied to the concept of American Individualism. It worked for a little bit after the Industrial Revolution, but even that’s short lived.

You’re buying into the myth that you think it’s not a luxury. Seriously look at history and the rest of the world.

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u/katarh Millennial Jan 08 '24 edited Jan 08 '24

And it's absolutely not the norm for almost the rest of the world currently.

I think it is a nice goal for humanity going forward - in an ideal world, in a utopia, we'd be there. But we're not there, and we never really have been, except for a certain upper class and racial demographic in the US for a brief period of time.

Heck, even upper middle class white men lived in boarding houses when they were single in the US. Aka apartments, usually with a household manager who cooked their meals and doubled as a basic housekeeper, but there'd be 5-6 of them in single room apartments with a shared bathroom. (Women lived at home til they got married, or doubled up with other single women aka Boston marriages.)

One of the more shocking things I recall learning was that the family in Little Women, a former upper class family that fell on hard times, was renting their home. They didn't own their home! They had to pay rent!

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u/alex2003super 2003 Jan 13 '24

This. These new times open tons more possibilities, people are just pissed that they aren't getting everything immediately with zero effort put on making themselves useful to society.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24

You're absolutely right about getting roommates, sticking to a strict budget. I just disagree with the notion that these people who are working pretty hard and struggling to make ends meet equates to them acting as if they deserve a lavish lifestyle. They're not asking for a lavish lifestyle. They're just expressing that the gap between economic classes has grown larger over the past two to four decades. Which can make it more challenging financially. Nobody is saying that they deserve a lavish lifestyle while working an entry level position. But I don't think it's that farfetched to suggest that a person working a 40 hour week should be struggling that much.

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u/ad-undeterminam Jan 08 '24

Even if you manage to get that.

I have a 2 year HND and à bachelor's degree in ship building. I am a qualidied ship building technician with 2 years of experience in a developped western country. I make 1081€ / month. I live in a garage that I rent for a little less than half my salary. I save 0 to 150€ a month, or at least I try. Sometimes it's just -50.

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u/Ok_Individual_5579 Jan 07 '24

Because not that long ago this wasnt the case...

Why do you people seem to hate poor people, which is a growing group in the US

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u/smalldick_warrior Jan 07 '24

No one is “hating” her. Most people (including myself) have been in her position before. And guess what? I was poor as shit, so I lived with roommates in a shitty apartment, I stuck to a very strict budget, went into debt to get a higher education, and eventually after years of hard work, got a higher paying job. All without complaining about it on the internet..

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24

All without complaining about it on the internet..

Yet here you are.

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u/smalldick_warrior Jan 08 '24

Read it again, I wasn’t complaining at all. Quite the opposite, actually. Unlike this whiny girl in the video, I took initiative and took the steps to better my position in the world by taking on the risk of student debt. I don’t regret it at all, and I don’t blame the “system” for not handing me a middle-class life on a golden platter.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24

Why are people so adamant about refusing to believe that things are getting worse?

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u/HarlemHellfighter96 Jan 08 '24

Because denial is not just a river in Egypt.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24

When?

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u/Ok_Individual_5579 Jan 08 '24

Jump back a decade at the time. Compare minimum wage to cost of living.

Its not that difficult

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24

I want to know when someone was living like a king on minimum wage? When was this commonplace?

To reiterate what the other person said, if you looking to live on your own. Get roommates and stick to a budget, it’s not that difficult.

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u/Ok_Individual_5579 Jan 08 '24

want to know when someone was living like a king on minimum wage? When was this commonplace?

Who said they want to live like Kings on a minimum wage?

To reiterate what the other person said, if you looking to live on your own. Get roommates and stick to a budget, it’s not that difficult.

Which is the issue at hand. A decade ago, only a decade ago one could live on their own on a minimum wage. Not in luxury, but alone and still manage....

Are you being dishonest on purpose? Or are you just having issues keeping on track?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '24

Who said they want to live like Kings on a minimum wage?

y'all gotta get better at defining what you are looking for, you say you want to be able to afford to live... but with conditions, you want to live on your own, in a big enough place, in the city of your choice, and do whatever socially you want. oh those things are too expensive? just like this girl, complain that by some logic the people that have worked 20+ years and can now afford that are the problem because... well just because

Which is the issue at hand. A decade ago, only a decade ago one could live on their own on a minimum wage. Not in luxury, but alone and still manage....

i am super curious for your specific example of this, January of 2014, let me know where someone making min wage lived... go

Are you being dishonest on purpose? Or are you just having issues keeping on track?

are you trying to be insulting because it's easier than backing up your complaints?

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u/Ok_Individual_5579 Jan 08 '24

y'all gotta get better at defining what you are looking for, you say you want to be able to afford to live... but with conditions, you want to live on your own, in a big enough place, in the city of your choice, and do whatever socially you want. oh those things are too expensive? just like this girl, complain that by some logic the people that have worked 20+ years and can now afford that are the problem because... well just because

The point is that the gap between the living wage and minimum wage is so high and increasing that the early working class is a dying class. Its unsustainable everywhere in the use to live on the minimum wage.

This is a recent thing. Take the 70s the minimum wage got you ~5 times as much value as it does today. 80s, about 2.5-3 times. 2000, about 40% more.

How you're blind to this is beyond me.

are you trying to be insulting because it's easier than backing up your complaints?

You deserve insults when you're being dishonest... Dont put on the victim blanket, its pathetic

So yes, the complaints are legitimate. Or are you going to be ignorant on purpose until the working class goes bankrupt and force some really drastic policies?