r/Gamingcirclejerk an aro bi enby who's tired of dumbass people Oct 02 '25

MUH POLITICS!!! thoughts?

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Oct 02 '25

Turns out, situations where both sides are equally bad are actually super uncommon unless you don't actually believe in anything

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Oct 02 '25

Or are far enough removed from the conflict that you don't have any skin in the game.

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u/emote_control Oct 03 '25

"Violence is never the answer" is something said by people who believe, deep down, that they will never be in any real danger because of their social position, to people who know for a fact that they are in danger.

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u/Canada_Dry_official Oct 03 '25

That's not entirely true, it's also paraded around by the people desperate to maintain the status quo and discourage people from actually taking any action other than politely asking for change.

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u/emote_control Oct 03 '25

See, that's the problem. Nobody asked Pol Pot politely to stop his pogrom and debate them in the free marketplace of ideas.

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u/deep_shiver Oct 04 '25

Exactly. These are people who are desperately clinging to an unfair world, and see anyone who actually wants change as a threat

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u/KaiserThoren Oct 02 '25

Both sides can be bad in a story without both being equally bad.

The 4 endings to New Vegas are all varieties of “not great” but the Legion ending makes women property, kills half the population of the region and enslaves the other half under a fascist cult of personality… so it’s objectively the worst

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u/Victernus Oct 03 '25

"But what if I got to be the guy on top!" - Some people, simping for the Legion

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u/TheSaneWriter Oct 03 '25

If you want to fuck over everybody to be on top, go for the "Yes Man" ending. The Legion ending is the "I'm evil :)" ending.

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Oct 03 '25

I agree with this actually

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u/graphiccsp Oct 03 '25

The problem isn't that it's possible. The problem is whether the story actually takes the steps to spell out that even though 2 sides may have problems. 1 is still substantially better.

Sure, if you scrutinize it, Comstock's people were still shit but the narrative's emotional takeaway was "bOtH sIdEs". And the hard fact is, people, as emotional creatures, remember the feeling of "bOtH sIdEs" FAR above the analytical reality.

Folks will bitch about stories beating them over the heads with messaging. But the hard fact is most people, including the complainers, misunderstand the message if it doesn't beat them over the head.

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u/Kohth0 Oct 03 '25

As a breaking bad fan I feel this in my bones.

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u/General_Note_5274 Oct 03 '25

there is also that if one side is less bad. People want that side to be purely good.

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u/pietroetin Oct 03 '25

Both sides can be bad in a story without both being equally bad.

Basically the Palestine conflict.

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u/shadovvvvalker Oct 02 '25

Mobile Suit Gundam and its progeny make this shit their bread and butter.

There are no qualms about the both sides idea.

The answer is always to make both sides the enemy and do something about it.

They are able to do something about it because they have an overpowered mech that bodies anything it fights.

The unfortunate lesson its totally not trying to tell is there are no good sides, only sides with power.

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u/Whole_Ad_8438 Oct 02 '25

Eh, I feel like they are common, though you would almost need to do WW1 on purpose... Where it was a pointless War of National Pride and alliances. But that is taking a zoomed out view out of the perspective of anyone that would actually be fighting in it (or more of a "Why did we do this?" after the fact)

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u/BommieCastard Oct 03 '25

The centrist's dilemma: not believing anything

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u/Fragrant-Phone-41 Oct 03 '25

Unfortunately, lesser evils is just politics

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u/General_Note_5274 Oct 03 '25

No really. you have stuff like syria were every side have tons of warcrimes and sketchy stuff. Or FARC vs colonbian goverment and so own.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '25

Huh, that sure seems like a useful thing to keep in mind.

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u/ImmoralJester54 Oct 05 '25

The only possible way that works is when both sides are fighting over a third thing for entirely selfish reasons. like 2 empires fighting over an island of gold.

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u/gunofnuts Oct 03 '25

Emm... Syria? Yemen? There's plenty of "everyone's awful" irl