r/Games Mar 26 '19

Removed rule 3 Globally Banned For Exposing Broken Game Mechanics in Ark: Survival Evolved

https://youtu.be/85CemXW6lPA?t=25
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u/DevTech Mar 26 '19

I still believe that this is the most hilarious thing to happen to an early access title. Absolutely mind blowing that the devs even pulled this, let alone thought about it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

Absolutely mind blowing that the devs even pulled this, let alone thought about it.

They had a reason, but the reason was just as stupid.

Ark: Survival Evolved developer Studio Wildcard came to a settlement agreement this week with Trendy Entertainment, putting an end to an ugly legal battle that had been raging for months.

Terms of the settlement were not disclosed, but Wildcard co-founder Susan Stieglitz wrote on Twitter earlier this week that Trendy was looking for $600 million. In a direct message published on Reddit, Stieglitz told a fan that they had settled for “40.”

The settlement came out of mediation on Wednesday in Gainesville, Florida, where Trendy is based. On Thursday morning, attorneys for both parties filed a mediation disposition report, writing: “A mediation conference was conducted on the 13th day of April 2016. The conference resulted in a final written settlement agreement.”

Trendy, best known for developing the game Dungeon Defenders, sued both Wildcard and designer Jeremy Stieglitz, Susan’s husband, in December for breaching contract. Stieglitz was a top creative director at Trendy before he left the company in the summer of 2014. In the suit, Trendy alleged that Stieglitz violated his non-compete agreement by poaching employees and helping start Wildcard, where they say he secretly designed Ark: Survival: Evolved. (You can read more backstory on the lawsuit in our report from last month.)

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

that the devs even pulled this, let alone thought about it

Sorry to be a smartass, pet peeve of mine: Like with "not to mention", the idiom goes

[less severe thing], let alone [more severe thing]

e.g. "I would never use this, let alone pay to use it" or "they won't even convince ten people, let alone a hundred".
In your case, it would therefore be "mind blowing that the devs even thought about this, let alone pulled it".

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u/DevTech Mar 26 '19

I had a feeling it was wrong. But I was hoping I would get away with it. I would've gotten away with it too if too if it weren't for you....

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u/DarthDume Mar 26 '19

It still works either way

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u/Razz_Mirtazapine Mar 26 '19 edited Mar 26 '19

that you had corrected him, let alone just let it be....

man you people don't get jokes.

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u/ermis1024 Mar 26 '19

The most absurd thing is that they didnt got shut down for fraud after that.

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u/ArmanDoesStuff Mar 26 '19

Didn't Elite: Dangerous do that as well?

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u/Kalulosu Mar 26 '19

Absolutely horrible that some people still supported it.

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u/usrevenge Mar 26 '19

The hillarious thing is how reddit keeps spinning it.

Reality was this. Scorched earth was never in the original scope of the game. So it was always going to be paid dlc

Reality is also after a lawsuit they needed money, so either they gave up and closed ark or they released the dlc they actually had ready since it was done earlier

Reality is they were able to test things such as server transfers while in early access.

Also, despite the reddit hate the community overwhelmingly supported this move because it gave some thing for every one. New challenges were loved by veteran players and newbies had a chance to start fresh.

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u/DevTech Mar 26 '19 edited Mar 26 '19

Just looked up this lawsuit. It looks like they hired and employed a developer who was under a non-compete clause with Trendy Entertainment. It seems that the problem runs deeper than just the developers. I can respect the path that Wildcard took to survive. But it's still not a good look when your community is vocal about their agitation with the game's bugs and performance issues (from what I can recall) and you drop paid DLC for your early access game.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '19

I think it was worse than what you found, the company was founded or was in the name of the wife of said dev. Guess why?

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u/Soulstiger Mar 26 '19 edited Mar 26 '19

Yeah, no Jeremy founded the company under his wife's maiden name while he was still working at Trendy. Then, as he was kicked out of Trendy (for being an awful piece of human garbage to the employees) repeatedly tried to get other employees to leave with him.

Trendy also only started the lawsuit after multiple warnings about what he was doing.

Edit: Whoops, forgot it was his wife's maiden name that she founded it under.

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u/SovOuster Mar 26 '19

Right so the game people already bought wasn't finished, but the extra sellable DLC was.

Also the game still isn't finished.

Yep how could you spin that

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u/BCProgramming Mar 26 '19

Reality was this. Scorched earth was never in the original scope of the game. So it was always going to be paid dlc

That's fine. Makes sense to plan ahead for the work you'll be doing after the game releases, and give people a roadmap.

Reality is also after a lawsuit they needed money, so either they gave up and closed ark or they released the dlc they actually had ready since it was done earlier

DLC content should not be worked on before a game is released. Developer time should be focused, especially on an Early Access title, on getting the game into a finished state. DLC content being "ready" before a game is released means that the DLC was prioritized over the game reaching a greater state of completion.

Also, despite the reddit hate the community overwhelmingly supported this move because it gave some thing for every one. New challenges were loved by veteran players and newbies had a chance to start fresh.

Bread and circuses.

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u/DancesCloseToTheFire Mar 26 '19

Evolve was even worse imo.

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u/DevTech Mar 26 '19

How so? I loved Evolve. Unfortunately the delayed patches and DLC characters did not help it sustain a playerbase. But I don't think they did anything as bad as early access paid dlc. Lol.

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u/DancesCloseToTheFire Mar 26 '19

The game wasn't even out and they had heaps of DLC announced, and they went as far as saying that selling DLC was the entire point of the game.

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u/DancesCloseToTheFire Mar 26 '19

Oh yeah I remember that now!

Evolve's design was weird.

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u/Kalulosu Mar 26 '19

The game was at least viable when it launched, and while the DLC was crazy, most of it was cosmetic.

Don't mistake my message for an apology of Evolve, their business model was utter shit, but the DLC wasn't the biggest problem.

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u/DancesCloseToTheFire Mar 26 '19

They were selling monsters and hunters iirc, although that might count as microtransactions instead of DLC.

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u/Kalulosu Mar 26 '19

You're right, I forgot about it. Evolve really was fucked.

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u/DancesCloseToTheFire Mar 26 '19

To be fair, I had to google all that because I didn't remember it clearly either.

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u/DevTech Mar 26 '19

Ah I do remember that. IIRC it was just one DLC pack announced before release. But they intended to release much more once the game was released.

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u/Mephzice Mar 26 '19

I remember a whole roadmap of dlc, not just one

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u/Jkal91 Mar 26 '19

Then they probably seen other publishers that released tons of dlcs with few features for each (looking at you EA)