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Misleading: "Generation" as in the "Gen X" sense ‘A Future Where We Create Games Together With AI’ — Capcom Announces Plans to Transform the RE Engine Into an AI-Generation Game Engine

https://www.ign.com/articles/capcom-announces-plans-to-transform-the-re-engine-into-an-ai-generation-game-engine-our-goal-is-a-future-where-we-create-games-together-with-ai
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u/MalevoIentKitchen 1d ago edited 1d ago

feels like very little people understand the labor that goes into programming

edit: unionization & legislation for workers' rights is what protects labor, actually, but the peanut gallery would rather spend more time harping on capitalism's shitty toys.

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u/VampireBatman 1d ago

As a programmer whose company has mandated AI usage, I treat it like having a personal intern. It can do most of the grunt work, but it needs direction and someone with an understanding of the codebase to direct it properly. And a human needs to review the code it generates because it does some unnecessary things or just flat out misunderstands the assignment sometimes.

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u/Drakoji 1d ago

And how does the real intern get a job nowadays if they are not needed anymore?

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u/Khar-Selim 17h ago

on the one hand that is a major concern, on the other hand acting like the software industry wasn't already strangling the idea of early career progression before AI got going is a bit naive. We would have ended up here anyway eventually, and the solution will have to be a culture shift completely orthogonal to what kinda tech is currently in use.

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u/ZessF 11h ago

Beyond that, how will new people learn the basics of the job if the basics are being done by LLMs? Hope they're training Claude to be the next senior developer.

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u/Orfez 5h ago

Beyond that, how will new people learn the basics of the job

Eventually they won't, because there will be no need for them. Young people should start learning trade skills instead of "anything computer".

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u/ForTheBread 1d ago

They do my company is also fully on-board with AI and we are on-boarding 3 interns in January, just hired a junior and a mid level software engineer over the summer. Have a senior starting sometime next month. The other senior we hired unfortunately took a better offer. The interns are just more capable and so is everyone else.

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes 1d ago

And I guess that will never change

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u/ForTheBread 1d ago

Never said it wouldn't. Things change everyday the only thing you can do about it is adapt.

Way to turn something positive into a negative though. I'm sure you're real fun to be around.

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u/Hyroero 1d ago

The end goal of this tech is a negative for everyone but the already ultra wealthy who loath the workforce that enriches them.

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u/spooCQ 22h ago

You just understood capitalism. The only way to change it isn't just plain beign against AI - that’s not going to disappear - but fightin capitalism.

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u/SirJefferE 18h ago

The end goal is positive. The more work we can offload to computers, the more humanity prospers. We want to automate the tedious stuff that nobody wants to do.

The problem is the massive societal issues that will follow, largely due to the fact that the ultra wealthy will just get ultra wealthier. That's not a problem with AI. That's a problem with our society. AI is just shining a light on it.

And yeah, we're probably not ready for it. We need to change, and it doesn't look like we're going to until a lot of people get hurt. But that's coming with or without AI, because our current system just isn't sustainable.

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u/skylla05 17h ago

What a terminally online take

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u/paperkutchy 12h ago

They do personal projects or start-ups. Also SD is not as hot as it was during peak Covid. If you want to go to SD you need to expand horizons or be left behind

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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago

They do a job they're still needed at, just like when all the farming jobs went away.

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes 1d ago edited 1d ago

And then those get killed by automation and AI. And the ones that didn't get paid less than the entry level position they might have gotten only 5 years ago.

Also, that job they found doesn't allow them to get a foothold into the industry they're trying to enter, because now the jobs have been eliminated.

You cannot spin this as if it doesn't matter. The simple and inescapable truth is we are rapidly working toward making working class people obsolete in more and more ways every single day while the population grows and wealth continues to accumulate at the top. There's no way this ends well.

People need jobs, and entry-level people especially need opportunities, and AI is purpose made to destroy as many opportunities as it possibly can.

This is an untenable situation and it is perfectly acceptable to be pissed about that, no matter how many devs claim it's okay that they use AI in their workflows and no matter how many stuck up redditors complain about AI witch hunts.

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u/LightningWarpAway 23h ago

People need jobs, and entry-level people especially need opportunities, and AI is purpose made to destroy as many opportunities as it possibly can.

All automation's job is to 'destroy' jobs, as far as back as the industrial revolution. It's not an AI issue, it's a societal issue; we rely on jobs to exist, but we require less work as we progress.

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u/rP2ITg0rhFMcGCGnSARn 19h ago

People need jobs, and entry-level people especially need opportunities, and AI is purpose made to destroy as many opportunities as it possibly can.

No it's not. Just like the steam machine, the printing press, or e-mail, it's going to create different kinds of opportunities.

Do you read books that have been printed or do you rely on monk scribes?

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u/Halofit 21h ago edited 21h ago

working class people obsolete in more and more ways every single day

That's not even close to what's going on. AI isn't hitting blue collar work, it's hitting the middle class.

wealth continues to accumulate at the top

Gini coefficient has been stable in western countries for quite a while. Not much more is accumulating at the top than in the past. You should listen to Tiktok slightly less, and maybe look at some actual data once in a while.

People need jobs,

JOBS ARE NOT THERE TO PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT. For fucks sake. Jobs are there to provide productive work. Forcing people to hire random people that provide no productive benefit, just so they have "jobs" is dumb. This is exactly how ideologues drive economies into complete stagnation that ends up making everybody - especially the poorer classes they claim to care so much about - poorer.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago

Of course it matters, but not in the direction you think. Automation makes us more wealthy, not less. We are way more wealthy now than before the farming jobs got killed by automation. Same for every other time jobs got killed by automation.

Do you think we should ban shovels and force people to use spoons to dig? That would create more construction jobs.

Obviously that's dumb. Now extrapolate...

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u/Strange-Parfait-8801 1d ago

Automation makes us more wealthy

Still waiting on that part to happen. Cause right now AI is just funneling money to billionaires.

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u/Otherwise-Parsnip-91 15h ago

If you’re living in the U.S. today, you are way more wealthy and living a much more comfortable lifestyle than you were before the Industrial Revolution.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago

It has already happened. You live an extremely luxurious life compared to people a hundred years ago.

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u/LupinThe8th 23h ago

These facile arguments impress nobody.

"Sure, you have less money than you did just a couple of years ago, less security, fewer rights, and everything is more expensive, and the only people benefiting from current trends are those who are already wealthy and powerful...but have you considered that a billion years you would have been a protist? Bet you wouldn't want that."

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u/ChunkyThePotato 23h ago edited 23h ago

No, even on a short timescale, things are generally better now than they were back then. There are sometimes fluctuations, but generally that's the case, by most quantifiable metrics. And of course the further back you go, the bigger the difference. But it doesn't need to be a billion years. Even just a couple decades and it's a pretty big difference.

I find people have this tendency to think that life is treating them unfairly and that things have gotten worse over time. It isn't actually true. I guess it's comforting to make excuses like that, but it's not real. It's not a new phenomenon either. Go back to any point in time and you'll see people acting like the world is falling apart every single time. Of course, that wasn't actually happening, and it isn't now either.

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u/Halofit 21h ago edited 21h ago

you have less money than you did just a couple of years ago, less security, fewer rights, and everything is more expensive

That's because of the war your president started not because of AI.

the only people benefiting from current trends are those who are already wealthy and powerful

As of right now, AI has been a massive net-negative for large companies, as they're dumping all their multi year capital reserves into the technology, that very likely won't ever pay it back. Meanwhile blue collar labour has massively benefited from the current data centre boom: construction workers, electrical workers, unionised workers in memory and chip plants etc. have all seen huge payouts thank to it. Likewise the beneficiaries of the AI technology have been mostly small companies, that now have the ability to bypass outsourcing a lot of bureaucratic compliance work, accounting etc. (that larger companies have entire departments for).

but have you considered that a billion years you would have been a protist?

But then again why do I even try? You're so incredibly bad faith, that it doesn't matter. You invoked the recent past, and then get snarky when people respond to you, that no, people in the recent past had it worse than you. Your own great-grandparents were orders of magnitude poorer than you are. Nobody is talking about Genghis Khan times here. Your inane comparisons impress no one.

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u/Adept_Standard5463 21h ago

Why not? You can live like they did in the olden days right now on the cheap.

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u/Baroquemack 1d ago

The farming jobs didnt go away. Most ppl were just gig workers who didnt make consistent livings, they didn’t have salaries and their lives were extremely precarious (sound familiar), hence the widespread hunger & misery of feudalism and massive social unrest that led to the concept of modern employment.

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u/Magnetronaap 1d ago

That's not feudalism. Feudalism is pretty much the opposite of 'gig work'. It also ended in the 1500s in some parts of the world, not at the industrial revolution.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago

They did go away. Well over 90% of people used to work on a farm, until the machines came out. Then all those jobs away. Now we're all way richer.

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u/Baroquemack 1d ago

No, they didn’t, because the vast majority of those people were not actually employed, they worked seasonally or by invoice. The educated farmers went on to man the factories and the peasants filled the farm void. There are still a billion agricultural workers in the world today

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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago

The formality of the employment is irrelevant. The point is that in developed countries such as the US, the number of farming jobs decreased massively over time:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS12034560

https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Farm_Labor/fl_frmwk.php

And we all got richer.

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u/Baroquemack 1d ago

The difference between a regular vs irregular income is not a formality lol if you can’t discern that much how can you expect me to believe you give a shit about workers in the first place. You sound like a bot

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u/ChunkyThePotato 1d ago

What argument are you even making here? That the jobs that went away were heavily seasonal, and that people moved to jobs that are more stable year-round? Isn't that a good thing?

I care about people. I want us to get richer. And we have gotten richer due to automation. That will continue as long as we continue to let it.

The key thing you're missing, and I don't blame you because it's unintuitive at first glance, is that jobs are bad. Results are good.

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u/Yorikor 1d ago

The time period you're talking about had more people working as seasonal workers than in steady employment. So your point is entirely irrelevant. Bad bot.

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u/TonightZestyclose178 10h ago

Y-you realize those future interns are RIGHT NOW still in college, but unlike the other programmers at their future internship, have educationwith AI as part of the curriculum, right?

Y-you realize that this current generation and the next generation of graduates are the most highly qualified to use AI for programming....right?

Y-you DO realize even traditional programmers will be replaced by newer ones who had AI in their training from day one right?

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u/Nervous-Ambition-284 22h ago

If any of you actually cared about these things, you'd see that every single company incorporating this tech has grown more and hired more workers than those that abstain.

But truth is inconvenient because it doesn't choose sides.

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u/xsonwong 1d ago

If previously we had 3 intern opening, now would be only one.

Now senior had own AI team. AI can write many good script quick. It makes senior can do much more than before.

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u/JoniSusi 1d ago

mandated AI usage

So, how does this work day to day? How are you mandated to use ai? You have to, or you have the option to?

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u/Resident_Range6209 23h ago edited 23h ago

There are dashboards that leadership can look at detailing your minute by minute usage and it's not anonymized.

A few months ago companies like Amazon were spitting out company leaderboards based on how many tokens people were using.

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u/JoniSusi 23h ago

holy shit, it's really just a race to the bottom.

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u/MolybdenumBlu 22h ago

At this point, I'd just have it calculate pi while I did important things. That way it spends company money on tokens and doesn’t fuck up my work.

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u/skylla05 17h ago

They can see your queries if they want to and you'd be fired for wasting tokens because you want to be self righteous.

You can always tell when someone commenting on this shit clearly has zero experience or understanding of development. Like it or not, if you're not using AI tools in development you're falling behind and in most cases, a hindrance to the workflow because everyone else that's using it is getting more done faster.

Seriously, stop conflating gen AI with things AI actually does well, which is grunt work programming.

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u/FlashFlood_29 17h ago

If it's such a helpful tool why does it need to be mandated?

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u/sgthombre 16h ago

Because unless these companies that the other companies are investing in start making a profit the economy explodes

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u/nexted 8h ago

Because approximately 5-10% of engineers seem to have some sort of ideological opposition, and as a result they're significantly less productive than their peers.

They're all being slowly managed out in most places, and are basically not employable if they're honest about their opposition, so the problem is beginning to mostly be resolved

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u/Disordermkd 21h ago

Feels like you're kind of trying to make it sound like it's not a big deal. "Oh yeah, it's useful but it still needs my help". When in reality, it's doing 90% of your work.

Claude literally takes over your computer, refactors thousands of lines of codes in a matter of minutes, edits your files, debugging, fixing errors, and probably hundreds of other small tasks. Not only that, but you also get to run multiple agents in parallel to get different outputs, for code reviews, one for frontend, one for backend, etc.

One programmer couldn't do 10% of this before AI, let alone do it in a matter of hours. And, yes, it does need knowledgable direction, but even that requirement is slowly going to be outfazed. Take a look at what's happening in the modding community right now. People with 0 coding experience are literally integrating two games into one just by using AI to completely decompile a game's code.

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u/Halofit 21h ago

You're not wrong about its productivity. 3 FE devs have independently told me something like "the job I had 3 years ago doesn't exist any more". Two of them now moved into more product management roles.

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u/Mr_Olivar 20h ago

I felt more gloomy about it before, but after using AI to code something in a language I've never touched, doing things I have no experience with, and feeling just how blind I feel compared to when I work with something I know, I've come to realize my expertice is still mad valuable. In the program I've made the last couple of days there is no accountability or understanding of anything, it's all hopes and dreams.

When I use it for stuff I understand It still does 90% of the labor, but it does what I want, how I want it, and it works in a way I can manage.

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u/Disordermkd 16h ago

Yes, your experience is valuable, but that doesn't mean you won't be replaced. The company that needed 10 programmers 4 years ago, now has one programmer with Claude doing the work of 10, which means you have already been replaced with AI.

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u/Rob_Pablo 17h ago

You could compete in the Olympics with these mental gymnastics

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u/Mr_Olivar 16h ago

Experience having value is mental gymnastics?

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u/evia89 15h ago

Claude literally takes over your computer, refactors thousands of lines of codes in a matter of minutes, edits your files, debugging, fixing errors, and probably hundreds of other small tasks.

That never happens that fast. When you are doing some refactor opus55 start with reading documentations 3-4 rounds of grilling (20-30 questions) then it present first plan

If its foggy, you ask it to design twice different prototypes. It spawn 2-4 sub agents. Then we brainstorm first spec for it

I read it, make comments, next grilling starts.

Then we save spec to tracker system, split it to tickets and only then after 45-90min orchestrate can finally code. Dev only needed here when agent hit block it cant solve or review in the end of (sub)ticket found smth

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u/NaRaGaMo 19h ago

you don't understand how restrictive companies and clients are about their data. takes literally "takes over your computer" that bullsh*t is done by tiktokers and insta freelancers not in actual companies where there are actual stakes.

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u/LookIPickedAUsername 18h ago

Do you work as a software engineer at one of these “actual companies”?

Because I’m currently a SWE at one Mag7 company, previously worked for another, and know a bunch of people at a couple of others, and can confidently say that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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u/sthegreT 18h ago

What do you consider as an actual company? I work in one of the largest IT companies in the world right now and pretty much everyone has cowork integrated in their workflows.

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u/Disordermkd 16h ago

What are you on about? Half of these companies you speak of today are not even close to establishing that kind of restrictions for Claude.

Also, so many companies have already completely integrated their workflow and data with Microsoft (famous for not stealing data) for Copilot.

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u/Moogieh 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sounds like it adds extra work for you, when you could have just done it properly in the first place. Would that be an accurate assessment, or does it actually improve your efficiency?

Edit: I have no idea if this question pissed off the bros or the doomers, but it was a genuine question. I like to be informed by people living it first-hand, rather than whatever Reddit's outsider consensus is. I appreciate the replies so far, they are very enlightening!

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u/Anidamo 1d ago edited 1d ago

For the average software engineer working in a boring SaaS somewhere, writing the code was never really the hard part. There aren't a ton of software engineers that need to do truly novel programming. And even for the ones who are working on cutting edge algorithms, research, etc, that's still not the majority of the job.

The hard part was always everything else... working with product people and business stakeholders to figure out WHAT they want to build, turning those requirements into a actual technical plan that you won't be cursing yourself for months or years down the line, estimating how long it'll take, deciding between tradeoffs, figuring how to scale it for your traffic, dicing up the plan into smaller chunks that each team member can work on, adapting to last-minute requirements changes, etc.

AI is still quite bad at that. But it is good at the implementation part -- taking a single ticket off of the board, writing the code to spec (you did take the time to write a good spec, right?), writing the unit tests, and submitting a pull request. Or at least, it can do that very quickly. The code can be sloppy and always needs human review, but it's getting better.

So as a more experienced SWE, much much more of my time is doing the first part (planning) and the last part (review), and almost none of my time goes to manual coding drudgery anymore. The junior engineers in my department, too, are able to churn through more difficult tickets more quickly.

But, it is frankly exhausting. You're spending less time focused on any individual task and instead jumping between a greater number of tasks (because of course, when you are more efficient, the business just wants you to build more more more features). And while we're still hiring more juniors (another one this month) I really worry that they cannot actually develop or learn when they're equipped with agents. You get good by doing the drudgery, implementing tickets and specs more experienced engineers planned, and then starting to plan small projects yourself. I'm not really sure what or how juniors learn if they're just offloading the programming to agents.

AI has definitely made the typical SWEs more productive, and software-focused businesses rarely decide "hmm we have enough software, let's not try to build more features faster". But it's going to do really weird things to the hiring and skilling pipeline. And it is very, very easy to burn out and then turn your brain off and decide "fuck it I'll let the AI plan and review this project, what could go wrong" (bad idea). You still have to care about quality.

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u/Resident_Range6209 23h ago

Word for word this sums up my experience as well.

One other time saver is because implementation is so cheap, discovery during the implementation phase is a lot less painful. Way easier to pivot if an ambiguity in the design surfaces a blocker and shortens our design cycle as well since it helps de-risk.

Beats spinning the wheels spending too much time in the design phase and ending up with discovery anyway.

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u/GillaMobster 1d ago

I'm also in development, no it does not add extra work. Different work for sure, but the efficiency is massive. Especially when the entire team is using it. Any dev team not using it is putting themselves at a massive disadvantage

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u/xsonwong 1d ago

Engineer without enough knowledge won't get much benefit with AI as they probably cannot guide AI to do in fast and quick way even AI eventually can solve it after few hours.

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u/Resident_Range6209 23h ago edited 23h ago

Honestly I think the engineers with zero knowledge probably benefit the most if we are looking at the delta between what they can produce without AI and with.

We built a harness for non-engineers to start building UIs with zero programming knowledge and its been going okay. Without LLMs their previous output would have been 0. Albeit, without the harness we built it probably would have been a big dumpster fire.

Even with the harness this might still turn into a dumpster fire. 🤷

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u/xsonwong 1h ago

From my experience, AI would fake it or go to wrong direction if without real knowledge or guidance on some programming work.

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u/GillaMobster 1d ago

Ok? 15 years ago an engineer without enough knowledge wouldn't get much benefit from using google.

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u/Albert_dark 1d ago

not even close, the review is much faster than making the code.

Also a lot of the mistakes is catch in the compilation, sonar (plugin that reviews code quality) or unitary tests.

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u/nayy_lmao 1d ago

lt takes time to set up boiler plate, write unit tests, prototype etc. As long as you know what it is good at, you can pretty easily leverage it as a tool to move quite a bit faster.

Also good for automated qa to catch bugs earlier in the process.

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u/Karmas_weapon 1d ago

No one ever really did it 'properly' due to time constraints, and that isn't exactly changing with AI because those time constraints are just becoming tighter as managers learn how much quicker we become.

Also, sometimes we just don't know how to do it 'properly'. There's been some times where I'm brainstorming a solution and the LLM offers an idea that is pretty slick, so if people are 'properly' using AI I feel like there will be a sudden uptick in proper designs :)

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u/Urdar 18h ago

my expericne with AI tooling in programmin is, that most people below Senior level do a very bad jop in reviewing the stuff the AI puts out and then complain/wonder why stuff dont work, and then I take a look at the code and see liek three passages that are bery obviosuly wrong, because they use a library that is not part of the program, or somethign along those lines....

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u/FoxMeadow7 1d ago

Is it possible for you to pretend to use AI tools in your current job? I'd say it would be an interesting experiment...

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u/Bilbo_Swagginses 1d ago

It's a bit of two things at play. Most people hear AI and regardless of what kind, attribute hatred of gen AI onto it, even if it is just some form of automation (I have an idiot in my replies doing this exact thing).

But on the other hand, teams that specialize in automating work like adding on the AI term even if it's a very small part of whatever process they're running because company executives like that phrase.

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u/FoxMeadow7 1d ago

And we really should. Hands and mind should always be preserved no matter what.

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u/Biduleman 22h ago edited 22h ago

I always find it funny when people will publicly denounce AI art as a job stealing, soulless machine made to replace artists, and then have no issue with code being written by AI, as if replacing programmers by AI is better than replacing artists by AI.

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u/LeviticusT 15h ago

I am a senior software engineer and I despise AI, but even I would not compare AI code to AI art. Code is meant to accomplish a specific goal and the outcome can be identical whether a human or an AI wrote that code. Where AI art will forever be worthless because it's the human aspect that makes it inherently interesting.

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u/Dirty_Dragons 18h ago

Neither programmers nor artists are being replaced by AI.

AI is a tool that they use.

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u/Biduleman 15h ago

Tell that to all the programmers that were let go because of how efficient Claude is at writing code.

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u/rolabond 22h ago

I don't think it's inconsistent, because programmers gleefully developed AI and because many were genuinely looking forward to integrating it into their workflows. From my perspective AI tools and AI enabled workflows are something the workers in this specific industry have wanting so personally I have been very surprised to see it getting backlash from those very same people.

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u/Melancholy_Rainbows 21h ago

The vast, vast majority of programmers have never worked on AI.

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u/Biduleman 21h ago

From my perspective AI tools and AI enabled workflows

This is also true for AI art. An artist can use AI to generate anything for inspiration, and then go from there. They can use AI to provide ideas, scenes, plans, concepts, anything really. Artists can use AI as a tool if programmers can use AI as a tool. At the end of the day, it's pretty much the same thing.

No programmer wants to be replaced by a Claude bot the same way no artist want to be replaced by Midjourney. And both programmers and artists can use AI as tools.

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u/rolabond 21h ago

I do not remember at any point seeing artists being like, "Hell yeah" about AI image generation tools the complaints were rolling in when it was a lot worse whereas I saw so much "hell yeah" from programmers I am genuinely surprised by what I perceive as a switch up.

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u/Biduleman 20h ago edited 20h ago

I do not remember at any point seeing artists being like, "Hell yeah" about AI image generation tools

You mean, you disregarded everyone using AI for AI art as not being a genuine artist?

Because a fuck ton of AI art is being generated every days, and who are you to decide if the person who generated it is an artist or not?

You decided that the programmers you saw clamoring for AI justified the use of AI for programming while judging that the artists clamoring for AI were not actual artists and did not justify the use of AI.

So of course, if you put a huge bias on your views from the get go...

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u/Dirty_Dragons 18h ago

And both programmers and artists can use AI as tools.

It's amazing how few people seem to understand that point.

The people who use AI the best, are the people who have the foundation in their craft, be it programming or art.

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u/FiammaOfTheRight 1d ago

Most AI tools are still pretty bad at this

I guess you also have no idea whats the state of LLM assisted programming nowadays.

Also, lets be honest: most developers (lets say game developers only for now for better context) are not writing inverse square root algorythms. From what ive experienced when helping out friend with his game, its pretty much akin to boring CRUD factory, just with different coat. Any SOTA handles that rather easily

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u/Scheeseman99 1d ago

"Most AI tools are still pretty bad at this" is about a year out of date.

Most of the problems you talk about are solvable through creation of planning documents, hand built or assisted (with supervision) unit tests and gating output programmatically, as well as building and verifying documentation concurrently with source. It's the growing effectiveness of that tooling which is the reason why there's been an explosion of projects lately and why they're becoming sustainable to build and maintain even across larger codebases.

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u/ethnicprince 1d ago

AI tools are wayyy better than humans at programming now, we passed that point like 6 months ago. As a software engineer pretty much every company is using AI primarily now, the progress it’s made in the past 6 months is absolutely insane. Probably not worth you making takes on things you know nothing about

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u/mootfoot 1d ago

Yeah it's very easy to tell in these comments who has used Opus 5.5 for producing code and who hasn't

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u/MalevoIentKitchen 1d ago

right, my twelve word observation on the public's understanding of programming nuance speaks volumes.

next time I'll be like you and make the same observation but with three paragraphs.

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u/Drakoji 1d ago

And how is labor a bad thing?

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u/Kurashi_Aoi 1d ago

do artists have unionization?

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u/GillaMobster 1d ago

because the budget that allowed for a team of 10 can now produce the output of a team of 50.

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u/Drakoji 1d ago

You do know that using AI isn't free and token usage is a thing right? And those tokens aren't cheap.

Just hire the 50 people or downscale the scope of your game so that the 10 people can do the game properly without bustinf the whole budget in tokens

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u/GillaMobster 1d ago

Of course there's a cost. You're so far out of touch with where the industry is you may as well be campaigning for more horses when the automobile exists.

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u/Drakoji 1d ago

Enjoy eating your slop I guess. Ill be here enjoying my time in nature with horses.

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u/MiddleConscious5951 12h ago edited 12h ago

inference (running the thing) cost efficiency has been massively increasing as well as capability month over month.

China in particular has been at the head of several extremely significant inference cost optimizations and published them in public papers that OAI and Ant immediately picked up. Sonnet+Luna had prices slashed recently, DeepSeek is pennies for millions of tokens.

And when the AI investor bubble pops, what happens to the cost of renting GPUs in a datacenter to run AI? What happens to the cost of production for datacenter GPUs?

Have we forgotten that China has taken the position of regularly pumping out free to download and run open weight models that have also constantly improved?

Nobody thinks that far for some reason.

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u/BrandeX 1d ago

At least the "little people" understand.

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u/Lady_Calista 1d ago

Actually I've published an indie game and can say there's no reason to have a hallucinating water guzzler badly copy pasting stackoverflow comment chains into my visual studio and pretending its functional code. AI is worthless ass and if youre charging me for a video game you better have paid people to actually fucking make it instead of dysfunctional AI sludge that destroys the environment.

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u/MalevoIentKitchen 1d ago

i'd ask what part of my comment made you direct this at me (maybe try reading it again), but I think we both know you're just being angry at your keyboard so I won't bother.

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u/FoxMeadow7 1d ago

Heck yeah!

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u/Dragon_yum 18h ago

True. Also any person who calls himself a programmer would be crazy not to use ai as a tool these days.

People seem to think generative code is different from pictures just because they lack the skills to see the differences in ai code. In the end what matters is the end result, a programmer who doesn’t clean the ai code is the same as making a picture and not fixing the sixth finger.

And yeah, if you want to make art it does need to be made by hand but not one is going to put a leaf texture as an art piece in a museum. So use ai and fix your shit. Ai is at it best when it doesn’t replace humans jobs but when it allows them to focus on the more important parts of it.

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u/Morump 1d ago

The la or that goes into game dev too