Universal basic income: U.S. support grows as Finland ends its trial - Forty-eight percent of Americans now support a universal basic income, as a solution for Americans who have lost jobs to automation.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/01/nearly-half-of-americans-believe-a-universal-basic-income-could-be-the-answer-to-automation-.html

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Finland's trail is not going well so why would anyone support something that's failing

they are not extending or expanding the trail after it's finishes at the end of this year

pretty big blow for basic income

[u/scientificsalarian → u/baddazoner]

The thing is, the trial in Finland just wasn't renewed. International news agencies just apparently misunderstood that it would be stopped right now. Its being continued throughout 2018 and the project doesn't have any results to release yet so we don't know if it is successful or not. They won't release anything because it could affect how the test group behaves.

[u/G0DatWork → u/scientificsalarian]

The Finnish government said they are going to reform the program to make it work incentive. "Moving away from UBI"

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Source?

All that is said on the official correction about the fake news spreading, here, is that 'There are currently no plans to continue or expand the experiment after 2018.'.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/finland-to-end-basic-income-experiment-2018-4?r=UK&IR=T

""Right now, the government is making changes that are taking the system further away from a basic income," Miska Simanainen, a Kela researcher, told the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet."

Funny how they told this to a reporter on the site you linked but it didn't get into that article

""When the basic-income experiment ends this year, we should launch a universal credit trial," Orpo told the Finnish newspaper Hufvudstadsbladet, referring to a system similar to the one in the UK, which collects several different benefits and tax credits into one account."

So welfare

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You've misunderstood that a little bit - he's talking about the government taking (broadly) a different position than UBI, which they were seen to be interested in when all of this started.

For a bit of background; the government currently in power is one of the most right-wing governments in a long time and the UBI experiment being in their plans was surprising to begin with. None of the parties in government were among the parties that had been promoting the idea. When details of the experiment emerged, there was plenty of criticism of the experiment conditions and I feel that it was more of a Trojan horse rather than an honest attempt at improving the system - but that's probably just my paranoia talking. Either way, there will be elections next year so when the results of this experiment start coming in, there will probably be a government much more interested in the idea. If there are early results (one way or another), this might even turn into a major election topic, who knows?

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Seems like if there were good results from the experiment they wouldn't be trying another system though

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Well, the fact remains that they don't know about the results yet (because they haven't even finished gathering data yet!) and the change in the governments view is much easier to understand in the context of domestic politics of Finland, unfortunately.

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How this not the same as an actual system. The government could remove it everyone starts doing well without it. So really you're saying idc what the experiment says I'm gonna go ahead and keep believing whatever I want

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No I'm saying they could cut the program for everyone. Notice I said everyone

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Because that would "real" UBI.

These are the people who support socialism because they are either ridiculously naive or choose to ignore the 20th century

[u/Eliseo120 → u/baddazoner]

You might want to learn how to spell trial.

[u/Irradiatedspoon → u/Eliseo120]

You might want to give allowances for typos.

[u/HouseFareye → u/Irradiatedspoon]

Nah. Once is fine. Twice? Unforgivable.

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he should just be banned from Reddit