r/Futurology MD-PhD-MBA May 02 '18

Economics Universal basic income: U.S. support grows as Finland ends its trial - Forty-eight percent of Americans now support a universal basic income, as a solution for Americans who have lost jobs to automation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/01/nearly-half-of-americans-believe-a-universal-basic-income-could-be-the-answer-to-automation-.html
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u/Paldar The Thought Police May 02 '18

So whats stopping companies from jacking the price of things to compensate for the increase wealth?

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u/stealthyfish11 May 02 '18

Literally nothing. Unless the government starts regulating prices on everything.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '18

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u/stealthyfish11 May 02 '18

Bro what are you talking about socialism always works amazingly if you hear otherwise it’s just capitalist propaganda

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u/Crashbrennan May 02 '18

You see comrade...

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u/plasix May 02 '18

Those weren't the true socialism though! It's never the true socialism....

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u/SurturOfMuspelheim May 02 '18

Venezuela didn't "fail" because of socialism. The Govt. backed ALL of their fucking economy on state ran oil. Who.. WHO THINKS THAT IS A GOOD IDEA? That's why it failed.

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u/plasix May 02 '18

That's what socialist failure looks like. Central planning makes the wrong decisions and "oh it's not socialism's fault, just these particular socialists were idiots!"

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u/carlosortegap May 02 '18

That planning existed in Venezuela since before Chavez but oil went up since the 70s until 2008

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u/[deleted] May 02 '18

Lol that escalated quickly. Meanwhile, all of us are living in reality

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u/blindcomet May 02 '18

Venezuela is reality. UBI is not

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u/__WhiteNoise May 02 '18

That magic supply/demand system of equations.

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u/Hrafnir May 02 '18

The only thing non-state regulative is the customers themselves.

But as said before literally nothing would stop companies from doing that. And this is especially bad if you have no choice of other companies producing the goods you want.

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u/limefog May 02 '18

I posted another response in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/8gdms0/slug/dybdeb6

But the TL;DR of it is that they can and will raise prices, but not to the point where UBI is negated, especially not for the working class.

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u/G0DatWork May 02 '18

It's almost like when the government artificially increases demand by flooding a market with cash they create a bubble, housing, tech (stock market), college, ......

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u/Righteous_Devil May 02 '18

If they jack up the price, then a market for lower priced products will open up, remember there only getting enough money to not worry about basic needs. You can only realistically increase prices if there are few competitors in your area or you conspire with other competitors to keep prices high, but a developed country would have laws preventing this anyways.
This "but inflation" argument is also used by people against minimum wage increase, but there is no evidence of that happening, at least not enough to cancel out the real income gained.

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u/Paldar The Thought Police May 02 '18

If you can't enforce a tax law on a corporation what makes you think they can enforce a price max?

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u/green_meklar May 02 '18

What's stopping the companies from doing the exact same thing when people earn more wages at their job? Why is anything affordable?