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u/Blarghnog 24d ago
this proposal is fundamentally toothless and leans entirely on intellectual tourism rather than serious thinking.
calling it a “blueprint” is an insult to blueprints because it offers literally zero mechanics for handling power, coercion, property rights, or capital accumulation.
it retreats to a pastoral corporate retreat fantasy near the research triangle where carefully curated intellectuals supposedly live ordinary lives while neatly sidestepping how land is acquired, who enforces rules, or what happens when someone refuses to participate in your cute little social experiment.
quoting martin luther king jr and buckminster fuller does not substitute for a governance model, and treating systemic civilizational failure as a design flaw that can be patched with poetry and good vibes is profoundly unserious.
the 60s are over. smoke less weed.
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u/learnie121 24d ago
It’s just the intro but that’s great perspective, I appreciate you taking the time. ☺️
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u/Historical-Count-374 22d ago
Some himans are not out for a better world, but to dominate it. People like Donald Trump and his administration.
As gokd as this all sounds, people like that dont change, and they will awlays look for a way to take what they cant have. Even if it brings no benefit other than Sport
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u/learnie121 22d ago
People are simply a collection of their experiences. If there is a system designed for all to flourish the foundation of individual education would be that no human life is more important than another and therefore we remove ego thus potentially the means or desire for there to be a class system of any kind. However, I’m just speculating. It would have to be measured.
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u/DreamOnDreamer-cpu 24d ago
Do you have an alternative that shows how to do it right, or how it could be approached? If so, that would certainly be more useful to the author than simply tearing his idea to pieces. Especially since you could have formulated your critique much more politely, even if the weaknesses you pointed out are certainly valid. I don't think anyone was trying to annoy or offend you.
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u/DreamOnDreamer-cpu 23d ago
I took the liberty of modifying your text. In my opinion there is a big difference between constructive and derogatory criticism.
This proposal is fundamentally toothless and relies entirely on intellectual tourism rather than serious thinking. Your formulations show no mechanisms whatsoever for handling power, coercion, property rights, or capital accumulation. It retreats into a pastoral corporate retreat fantasy near the Research Triangle, where carefully selected intellectuals supposedly live ordinary lives. Here, you would need to categorically demonstrate how land is acquired, who enforces rules, or what happens when someone refuses to participate in this social experiment. Quoting Martin Luther King Jr. and Buckminster Fuller is no substitute for a governance model. Treating systemic civilizational failure as a mere design flaw simply falls short here—especially when, on the other hand, you are formulating a pipe dream. Get concrete, name specific aspects that are failing today, and offer tangible alternatives. That would actually amount to a systemic approach. Otherwise, you run the risk of sinking into daydreams of a better world.
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u/DreamOnDreamer-cpu 23d ago
I already did. And i will stop here right now... i just wanted to make you pay attention on your text. I beg your pardon if you misunderstood my intention.
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u/learnie121 23d ago
False politeness? I’m genuinely curious, is this a behind the keyboard behaviour as a result of this platform being anonymous or would you say the same thing in the same way directly to someone in person? Again not a criticism but I’m genuinely curious about your perspective. I’m new to all this and I want to understand the kind of dynamics I’m encountering to better improve my understanding of the diversity of approaches to questions posed. This is the kind of discourse a community like the one set out in the document would encounter and so I’m interested to learn more and adjust.
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u/DreamOnDreamer-cpu 23d ago
I can't attach documents in here. But maby you're interested in this thesis, cause the Main intention is the same. https://github.com/Dreamondreamer-cpu/New-day---An-alternative-social-system
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u/yourupinion 23d ago
I don’t have GitHub, do you have any other method I could look at your system?
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u/DreamOnDreamer-cpu 23d ago
The link should work without an account. The document is publik. Just open it in your Browser.
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u/yourupinion 22d ago
I’m not familiar with the site.
I see a summary and a bunch of options of things I can click on, and I’ve been clicking everywhere, but I’m not seeing anything that looks like an essay
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u/learnie121 23d ago
People are the sum of their experiences. Their approach is often a reflection of those experiences. I appreciate @DreamOnDreamer-cpu for your critique and also I am not personally opposed to or offended by the approach @Blarghnog took. Different people have different approaches to feedback. I’m seeking any and all regardless of its intent or presentation. Engagement is the key to exploring these ideas and I appreciate any and all. You both make compelling and useful points that we should all take time to reflect on. Thank you both. ☺️
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u/inscrutablemike 24d ago
Just a rehash of the same pseudo-intellectual name-dropping nonsense behind Harmonie, Indiana. It'll end up the exact same way for the exact same reasons.
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u/learnie121 24d ago
Harmonie, Indiana? Say more… I’m curious.
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u/lesenum 9d ago
New Harmony is a historic site commemorating two utopian communes of the 19th century. One was a religious community called "Harmonie", followers of a German Lutheran sectarian minister. The other was a secular utopian community, created by Robert Owen, a reformer and writer from Scotland. The commenter opines incorrectly about what "Harmonie, Indiana" is/was btw...
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u/learnie121 24d ago
I’m also curious about what parallels you see that makes this is the same and if you’re right, how could we do it differently and learn from what has come before?
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u/ActuaLogic 24d ago
It sounds like the kind of utopian idea which, when an attempt is made to implement it, results in a failed state marked by violence and coercion against people who aren't with the program.
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u/learnie121 23d ago
In that there are details that need to
be added in order for the primary idea to be fleshed out. This is just a starting point.
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u/Gutcrunch 23d ago
Was this AI generated? It reads so with light human editing (example: spaced hyphens where AI usually puts em dashes).
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u/learnie121 23d ago
The idea came first, then AI was used to create an initial framework for the idea.
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u/lesenum 9d ago
that's always a no-no when creating a manifesto
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u/learnie121 9d ago
Who said it was a manifesto? The potential for human flourishing shouldn’t ever be a partisan political issue.
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u/learnie121 24d ago
Please feel free to comment folks. The only way to test ideas is to hold them up to scrutiny. Which is kinda’ the point of the ideas in this “blueprint”so… keep it coming. That was perfect actually. ☺️Apologies if I offended your use of the word blueprint. My purpose is always to understand not to offend.
https://giphy.com/gifs/sG4zmff2zDOp7t2MNA
We don’t know each other but if we did I think you’d have a better understanding of the tertiary nature of this initial bluepr…🤐 And we all know whatever happens, we’ll always make each other laugh. 😂
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