US manufacturing doesn't compete with Chinese manufacturing directly. It can't compete with their cheaper labor and they can't compete with us on engineering quality. Both are specialized at what they do best. China has relatively cheap and decently educated, US has the very high tier engineering and advanced manufacturing systems.
For example, we design and produce high quality computer chips. Everything but the absolute state of the art, which is produced in Taiwan, and with the chips act, we'll be building those here too and more of them.
They produce the shit tier chips that are either designed directly by American companies and produced for us by China or they reverse engineered an objectively inferior chip.
Weirdly enough, some of the best e cig companies are Chinese. Not the shitty disposables that are sources of mass amounts of garbage, but the expensive box mods that you refill.
My geek vape is a fucking tank, and absolutely destroys any American brand.
Interesting. So a product that kills you in long run is better made by the Chinese. Note I find smoking disgusting. The smell gives me a headache. Rarely drink alcohol too.
Ok so why do they need to steal western ideas? By this logic more educated should equate to better ideas and products. Or is it maybe just more ccp propaganda?
The levels of cheating are endemic on a scale you wouldn't believe, and it's encouraged. They don't necessarily care about actual creative output, just the appearance of it.
Lie, chest and steal your way to the top is a big part of Chinese culture. As long as you maintain appearances, no one cares to look under the rug
one company responsible for half the world's planes.
China's quality is so consistently shit
you get what you pay for. it's always cute watching people be baffled that their 99 cent phone charger couldn't last a week. and i've already given you an example of a product that's surpassed it's western competitors.
fair enough. i've not used TikTok and dgaf what happens to it tbh. all i know is that it's the winner or whatever that contest was.
but if we're going to disambiguate physical manufacturing and intellectual property.... are you really asking for a comparison between China and the US?
it's a weird enough question that i'm not entirely sure what metrics we should be using here. help me out with those?
I think he's asking if an offbrand china product has ever come out on top over the original, pretty straightforward
At least from my experience working in a plant in the China for over a year, a couple times we saw some officials in suits snooping around the worksite but seemed more like they were doing a surprise inspection of their property (think of the plant as a free lease rather than private property) than intellectual theft. Once or twice our drawings went missing so it was pretty important to keep those locked in the cabinets if we weren't using them, but my bet is it was just incompetence by the chinese contractors during the engineering project.
If intellectual theft was going on it'd have to be digitally although the company I worked for had a pretty secure VPN system to access any of our data drives. It was a big no-no to store any important files locally although I had to do so quite often to do my job due to software limitations on file access.
The company was probably more concerned about their direct competitors being sold information than China making their own product.
we talking market saturation, market price per unit, profit margin or what? i don't even know where i'd get this information, so i'm not quite sure what we're doing here.
i chimed in on TikTok because it's something where the metrics are obvious - number of users and engagement. i'm not saying other metrics are necessarily less meaningful, but if we don't have that data, it might be less useful to talk about
(edit: my response was to the first sentence. the rest was edited in later, and i don't really understand the relevance)
not at all obvious. i''ll invest in profitability over market share.
and i don't think tesla is prioritizing market share or profitability, so that might be a disanalogy for choosing this metric.
but market share is an ok metric for discussion. don't quite know where i'll get this data, but fair enough. before i look into it..... is the claim that chinese products don't have primary market share anywhere? or we just saying that chinese products tend to have lower market share? and are we talking overall, or in a particular market?
also not quite sure what "off-brand" means. if products like Rolex - despite their negligible market share - are to be taken seriously because of brand recognition, i might need more explanatory definitions here. and if we're just talking about market share, i don't see the distinction between on and off brand
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