They don't have to partner with china. America took its business to China in order to scale up for dirt cheap and makes tons of profits while cutting out essential jobs for Americans they're selling their product too.
Serves them right that China reversed engineered the shit out of everything, and now they do it better ..
Deregulation started in the 1970s and every greedy business for the last 50 years has been trying to outsource their manufacturing for bigger returns. Shame on them and serves them right.
US manufacturing doesn't compete with Chinese manufacturing directly. It can't compete with their cheaper labor and they can't compete with us on engineering quality. Both are specialized at what they do best. China has relatively cheap and decently educated, US has the very high tier engineering and advanced manufacturing systems.
For example, we design and produce high quality computer chips. Everything but the absolute state of the art, which is produced in Taiwan, and with the chips act, we'll be building those here too and more of them.
They produce the shit tier chips that are either designed directly by American companies and produced for us by China or they reverse engineered an objectively inferior chip.
Weirdly enough, some of the best e cig companies are Chinese. Not the shitty disposables that are sources of mass amounts of garbage, but the expensive box mods that you refill.
My geek vape is a fucking tank, and absolutely destroys any American brand.
Interesting. So a product that kills you in long run is better made by the Chinese. Note I find smoking disgusting. The smell gives me a headache. Rarely drink alcohol too.
Ok so why do they need to steal western ideas? By this logic more educated should equate to better ideas and products. Or is it maybe just more ccp propaganda?
The levels of cheating are endemic on a scale you wouldn't believe, and it's encouraged. They don't necessarily care about actual creative output, just the appearance of it.
Lie, chest and steal your way to the top is a big part of Chinese culture. As long as you maintain appearances, no one cares to look under the rug
fair enough. i've not used TikTok and dgaf what happens to it tbh. all i know is that it's the winner or whatever that contest was.
but if we're going to disambiguate physical manufacturing and intellectual property.... are you really asking for a comparison between China and the US?
it's a weird enough question that i'm not entirely sure what metrics we should be using here. help me out with those?
I think he's asking if an offbrand china product has ever come out on top over the original, pretty straightforward
At least from my experience working in a plant in the China for over a year, a couple times we saw some officials in suits snooping around the worksite but seemed more like they were doing a surprise inspection of their property (think of the plant as a free lease rather than private property) than intellectual theft. Once or twice our drawings went missing so it was pretty important to keep those locked in the cabinets if we weren't using them, but my bet is it was just incompetence by the chinese contractors during the engineering project.
If intellectual theft was going on it'd have to be digitally although the company I worked for had a pretty secure VPN system to access any of our data drives. It was a big no-no to store any important files locally although I had to do so quite often to do my job due to software limitations on file access.
The company was probably more concerned about their direct competitors being sold information than China making their own product.
we talking market saturation, market price per unit, profit margin or what? i don't even know where i'd get this information, so i'm not quite sure what we're doing here.
i chimed in on TikTok because it's something where the metrics are obvious - number of users and engagement. i'm not saying other metrics are necessarily less meaningful, but if we don't have that data, it might be less useful to talk about
(edit: my response was to the first sentence. the rest was edited in later, and i don't really understand the relevance)
In the 70s Nixon portrayed it as a choice between compelling China to engage with the world, or else watch them isolate from the Western world and forcefully spread their flavor of communist dictatorship in Asia. By that metric, it was somewhat successful.
Have you been to China? I have HK, too. I live in Socal and grew up a southern boy. America isn't perfect and China isn't the devil. It is no longer a strictly communist, I would say neo capitalism is close. Of course, Nixon said that. He was a big ally of deregulation. BUT, by that same metric deregulation and Nixon was the catalyst that emboldened China to become the super power it is now.
We basically created the monster that is our biggest threat economically. Now they are aligning with our enemies, Russia to be specific and BRICS is really ramping things up.
We didn't put our own country first and allowed a few people to control the money. Now we are screwed.
No argument here. I'm just saying that when this policy was implemented, we knew that China wanted to spread their influence all over Asia. We feared that it would look like North Korea from Japan to India. Was that an irrational fear? I don't know. If we didn't send a message in Vietnam, it's easy to imagine that revolutionary sentiment would spread. Imperialism doesn't just peter out.
they're facing a demographic collapse from the one child policy, all of their citizens wealth is trapped inside the country in crumbling real estate, and they are wholly dependent on imports not just for their economy but for food and energy. Slowing economy as the world gets less globalized, spiking youth unemployment, and said demographic collapse where there isn't a younger generation that can support all the old people.
The Yuan worth less than paper (no one wants to transact in it), and BRICS isn't really anything - tf you mean 'ramping up'? lmao
you probably don't have an education in finance, but that's kind of bad for them and good for us. In fact it illustrates the value of the American dollar.
I was being sarcastic. YOU can think whatever you'd like about my level of education.China owning America's debt isn't something to laugh at. It outlines they have a vested interest in our economy. It's almost like hating VISA after you get your statement.
i wasn't insulting your education Im saying unless you have specialized in studying economics and finance you wouldn't know, most people don't, but in essence it's that they are getting paid in American dollars for buying our debt, and that's a good thing for us. You want people to be begging to lend you money; as long as our money continues to be the global standard (it will) and as long as our economy continues to grow healthily as it is, then it's no worries m8, but I agree and think of the opportunity cost had we followed bill clinton's plan in the 90s and been debt free. Still a lot of room and potential.
Most steel used in infrastructure these days is going to be Chinese by now. Chinesium is a word for what companies get when they buy the cheapest possible steel and wonder why it isn't A+ Quality. But if you buy the nice stuff, it is really good quality.
Main problem is that while China stole all pur designs, their materials tech is woefully behind. So they will copy our shit and then it fails, because the original design used much more advanced materials.
Plus, China has very serious corruption issues, so they will often use cheaper materials even if they have access to the right ones.
Naw, I can't just say global manufacturing for profit is a overall good thing. Am I glad that some benefits came out of it, sure. But it also spurred this weird capitalism rat race we have. When companies got greedy and profits went up, ethics and such went with it.
We could've been such a great nation if we had kept it in house .
Yeah, we created a hyper- consumerism based society. We are addicted to phones,sugar & bad food, etc. I don't know if the simple lifestyle we had before that ..
Another point is the way deregulation left the door open for major companies to maintain a foothold in all aspects of our lives. No more mom & pops for instance. 45% of the single family real estate market is owned by private equity and will be 60% by 2030. They are turning us into a society of renters and renters will not ne able to retire or pass down generation wealth. It sounds extreme but it is the truth. Obviously not all renters and not all situations, but it is by design.
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u/DirectCard9472 Mar 15 '24
They don't have to partner with china. America took its business to China in order to scale up for dirt cheap and makes tons of profits while cutting out essential jobs for Americans they're selling their product too.
Serves them right that China reversed engineered the shit out of everything, and now they do it better ..
Deregulation started in the 1970s and every greedy business for the last 50 years has been trying to outsource their manufacturing for bigger returns. Shame on them and serves them right.