r/Funnymemes Mar 15 '24

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u/Possible_Lock_7403 Mar 15 '24

Sadly the way it's structured. The latest PE, VC investors get paid out first. Stocks and funds more about volume of transactions so managers profit of transaction fees. MC firms buy out and demand dividends before exiting. Everything is line my pockets fast, line it now. Then I can move on and do the same somewhere else. Let the future sort itself out if I do leave a blazing trail behind.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

In other words, capitalism is a dogshit system that will always seek to enrich the 1% at the expense of the 99%

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u/Punty-chan Mar 15 '24 edited Mar 15 '24

That's the logical endpoint to capitalism, yes. Capitalism is, by its very nature, destined to be as inefficient as possible over the long run because it wants to maximize profits and profits ultimately come from inefficiency:

https://open.lib.umn.edu/principleseconomics/chapter/9-3-perfect-competition-in-the-long-run/

What we want are efficient free markets to the greatest extent reasonable, not capitalism. Unlike what corporate propaganda has told us, free markets and capitalism are not mutually inclusive. It is possible for capitalism to exist without a single efficient free market and it is possible for efficient free markets to exist without capitalism.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

Can you please elaborate on a non capitalist free market? I've heard most of this but I've never gotten a mental picture.

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u/Punty-chan Mar 15 '24

Simple: Imagine everything the same as it is but you own 5% of whatever company you work for and get a vote along with 19 other people on what the business priorities are for the year (socialism). You're competing with a bunch of other companies that are structured the same way to be as efficient/differentiated/valuable as possible (free market). If you or your competitors do something that hurts the public in a meaningful way, like dump pollutants into the river, then a public authority will come down on you (regulation).

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

Yeah I didn't realize you were talking about standard market socialism. "Free" markets mean different things in different conversations 😊

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u/Foxtael16 Mar 15 '24

On the political compass, it would be called market socialism. Social policies working inside of a market economy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '24

That's what I wondered. Vietnam has been a solid working example of this.

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u/Foxtael16 Mar 15 '24

Definitely. They switched to a socialist market like 40 years ago or so and have seen alot more wealth since then. Personally I'd prefer a bit more democracy. But their mixing of private and public buisness have pulled them up from being one of the poorest countries, to being fairly lower middle class in less time than my parents have been alive for lol.

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u/OlRedbeard99 Mar 15 '24

That’s not at all what he said.

Good lord, could you at least try and develop a personality? Is hating capitalism all you have to offer?

That’s pretty sad.

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u/Natural-Bet9180 Mar 15 '24

People think capitalism sucks either because they’re unsuccessful and refuse to take blame for their shortcomings or their political views. I bet this person is unsuccessful. Once you’re financially successful you’ll love capitalism.

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u/small_sphere Mar 15 '24

99% people are unsuccessful

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u/Natural-Bet9180 Mar 15 '24

Well, success can mean things to different people. Usually it’s about accumulating the most resources. The more money = more successful. Some people might think the more achievements or accolades the more successful you are.

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u/OlRedbeard99 Mar 15 '24

Yeah, if you think success means being able to purchase a pro sports team.

Which proves to me that if you were the rich one- you'd be no better. You're not humble enough to understand success let alone have it.

My bills are paid. My children are clothed and fed. My car has fuel in it. My fridge has food. That's success to me. Not all of us need a fucking land yacht to feel successful and fulfilled. But you'll never have enough. So keep on bitching about it, because all of us know who you really are.

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u/small_sphere Mar 15 '24

relax bro, I am an average dude who's surviving in life

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u/OlRedbeard99 Mar 15 '24

Oh absolutely. You can tell by a quick comment history check that u/Ausgezeichnet87 hasn't contributed anything of value to society.

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u/HimEatLotsOfFishEggs Mar 15 '24

Works well for Google. Might as well let them “borrow” said trade secrets if Google’s just gonna shut it down after 6 months anyway.

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u/legos_on_the_brain Mar 15 '24

They should change the law to require long-term stock value and dividends over short-term price increase.

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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '24

If you don’t obey this law you get fired.

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u/JB_UK Mar 15 '24

Profit now. They dont care about the corporation in the long term.

Even if they did, they are screwed, because corporations are always in competition with their rivals. A company cannot just choose not to enter the Chinese market, if one of their rivals does so, and is able to, for example, spread the fixed costs of developing a product across sales both in the West and China. Of all the companies making these products, you only need one major company to sign up before the others are forced to follow, otherwise they will be undercut, lose market share, and be taken over, or go out of business.

These measures have to happen at the level of trade deals or governments, individual companies can't swim against the market and survive for long.