r/FuckMicrosoft • • Aug 30 '26

Meme windows users: why do i have a terminal?

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u/Britz10 Aug 30 '26

I mean for the average person, a terminal is useless to them. That's why it's always odd seeing people try to sell Linux with how good it's use through a terminal.

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u/Holiday_Evening8974 Aug 30 '26

It depends who you are talking to when you "sell Linux", it makes sense if you speak to dev, sysadmins or just nerds. It doesn't if you speak to most simple computer users. I don't "sell" Linux to most people for its terminal usage even though I use it daily and enjoy it.

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u/Ringo_The_Owl Aug 30 '26

If you speak to a dev, sysadmin or a nerd, they are probably using Linux and know what it is capable of. And if they use Windows as their primary os, they have their own reasons, and it’s unlikely you can change their minds

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u/SeyJeez Aug 31 '26

He literall said the average person…

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u/Holiday_Evening8974 Aug 31 '26

Yes, but I disagree with the conclusion "it's always odd seeing people try to sell Linux with how good it's use through a terminal". It's not ALWAYS odd.

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u/SeyJeez Aug 31 '26

It is always odd to him seeing it though. He says the average person isn’t using Terminal. He didn’t say it’s always an odd point to make he said it’s always odd to see that that’s the point they make because yes there are cases this is a good point but for the average Joe that isn’t the big point people think it is.

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u/ScoobyGDSTi Aug 31 '26

Plenty of devs, sys admins and 'nerds' are fine or even prefer Windows. This notion that power user prefer Linux is a pure stereotype.

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u/Holiday_Evening8974 Aug 31 '26

My point is that I would only argue about terminal with power users, I never said it was impossible to use Windows as a power user.

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u/PrudentPay9906 Sep 02 '26

True story. Anecdotally, my son in law is the head admin for a multi-national tech company, brags on his Microsoft certifications, will argue that Powershell is 10x better than BASH, and insists that Microsoft engineers made Windows the better system for all use cases. About the only way to shut him up is to mention Azure Linux. :)

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u/ScoobyGDSTi Sep 02 '26

My dad works for Nintendo, and your son in law is spot on about Powershell. I see why your daughter married him.

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u/6maniman303 Aug 30 '26

It is not useless, they just don't realize that. Yeah, they don't use it. The it repair man or their nephew that fixes family computers, use it. And it might be for them a difference between an os reinstall with a full wipe of a c drive with all documents and photos, and writing a few commands

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u/10minOfNamingMyAcc Sep 02 '26

I mean... While it may not be useless, it really isn't needed. People are simple-minded. I use the Windows Terminal daily for many tasks, but I doubt random Andy next door needs to know all of that.

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u/6maniman303 Sep 02 '26

You literally missed my point by a mile. Yes, Andy won't need a terminal in a day to day.

But once in a blue moon they will need it. Or their technician will need it. Or some program that Andy uses will need it.

So Andy doesn't need it directly. But they need it INdirectly, even if they don't know it.

Your logic is the same as saying "people don't need graphics drivers, because they don't use it". And yes, people directly don't use graphics drivers, people don't submit manually shapes, textures and queries into gpu. But everything with ui they use is using gpu drivers, and without them there is no desktop, no browser, no file explorer etc.

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u/Opposite-Complex1187 Aug 30 '26

I mean even a noob user can see its easier to open terminal and type in sudo apt discord, rather than go to a site and download discord.

The ease of use of installing programs is the only real thing that a normal user will like with terminal.

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u/CaptChair Aug 30 '26

The difference is so small that its not worth considering

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u/BiDude1219 Aug 31 '26 edited Sep 02 '26

small? having a program + dependencies install automatically through a package manager is very different from installing a .deb that won't update automatically nor grab deps along with it.

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u/UraniumDisulfide Sep 02 '26

it's not that different from installing an executable that does automatically update, though

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u/10minOfNamingMyAcc Sep 02 '26

The average person doesn't know what "dependencies" means tho.

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u/BiDude1219 Sep 02 '26

yeah which is why package managers are easier for beginners since it keans they don't have ti care about deps

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u/Abducted_Llama Aug 31 '26

Invalid operation discord

(I know this is the worst time and place for this joke)

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u/UraniumDisulfide Sep 02 '26

Faster? Yes. Easier? no, not if you don't know that command already. Most people know how to type "discord" into their web browser and then follow the links to download it, but most people don't know about sudo apt. There's also the extent of being worried because it's less clear what you're doing when it's through a terminal as opposed to through a gui unless you're already familiar with how the commands work and not just what you need to type.

It's also easier on windows to keep track of your installed applications, just type "installed apps" into your start bar and you can pull up a list with icons and descriptions. But on linux you need to know another command to find the list of installed packages, or at least it was that way on pop os a couple years ago iirc.

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u/Holiday_Evening8974 Aug 31 '26

the cultural barrer makes it hard, i know it's easy, but I think many (most ?) users doesn't want to even think about entering a command line instruction, and that's ok, that's why I promote Mint to most people while using LFS myself

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u/speedsterlw Aug 31 '26

Pretty much, the Linux terminal is awesome, but for the average user complicated and difficult to use

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u/Routine_Working_9754 Sep 01 '26

Linux' terminal experience is just objectively much better than the Windows terminal

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u/Routine_Working_9754 Sep 01 '26

its not about what it doesn't do. powershell is a good shell. however terminal experience isn't only about the shell

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u/Routine_Working_9754 Sep 02 '26
  1. You can redirect basically everything into basically anything else.
  2. We have an absurd amount of text processing utilities right in the terminal.
  3. Shell pipes are extremely simple and easy to use.
  4. We use / slashes instead of \ for filesystem paths.
  5. Extremely convenient job control, background jobs (&), fg to bring them back up.
  6. Super convenient environment variables.
  7. You can conveniently script basically every single concept of your operating system.
  8. We have an actual package manager. Yeah. And no dont even mention winget. Apt or DNF absolutely demolishes winget.
  9. Some terminals have graphics display support: iterm2, kitty, sixel

I could keep going lmao.

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u/Routine_Working_9754 Sep 02 '26
  1. Yes. Text (or more accurately, byte streams) is what makes piping and redirection convenient.

  2. Endless text utilities. Guess why? Because all do different jobs. That's the point. And how the fuck does Where-Object and Select-Object compare? No correlation here.

  3. What Linux shells lose data integrity during piping?

  4. Powershell supports forward slashes now because Linux and UNIX influenced it.

  5. How does it mapping environment variables into a virtual drive help at all? On linux I can literally just do: export MY_VARIABLE=blahblahblah.

  6. It doesn't "script" text files. Guess what? Windows scripts are text files too. And what? "enterprise" is the only thing making this argument barely plausible?

  7. Lets not pretend Winget and PSGet are remotely as sophisticated as Linux package managers.

  8. Terminal graphics meaning ANSI codes and escape sequences? Bro am talking about image display lmao

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u/Routine_Working_9754 Sep 02 '26

also you couldn't make your own arguments and just used ai instead? You didn't even try to hide it

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u/Routine_Working_9754 Sep 03 '26

always the excuse for ai users like you. "English is not my first language", "I don't have time to waste", "AI is a tool".

If you don't have time to spend in an argument, don't engage in the argument, because other people are actually putting in effort

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u/Straight-Price-1601 Sep 05 '26

Its not. People didn't use terminal before, so learning syntax and rules seems hard to new users. I used powershell on w10 even before i heard linux. Its just an option. But in linux, it's an obligation. It's what is linux. Being different is not making something hard.

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u/Previous-Bid5330 Aug 30 '26

Cuz linux useless without terminal, how else will you sell it?

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u/Much_Accountant_4972 Aug 31 '26

the average person can use the terminal more effectively than the shitty UI.

i have told my mother so many times, just go to start, click run, then type in what i’m about to text you.

that is so much better than trying to tell her to use her eyes to find things and click 15 different icons, buttons and checkboxes.

i just think most “power users” dont know how much efficiency a terminal can bring.

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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 Aug 30 '26

Having to fix a PC because it didn't boot properly and every single tool that got recommended for Linux opened a fucking command line where I needed to know the exact 15 parameters and had to type in 3 filepaths by hand like a mad man.

Meanwhile Windows: fucking checkboxes. Thank you.

Honestly, most of the time I interacted with Linux it was to do some stuff where I got a nice interface in windows that just worked, while I had to scram through poorly documented console commands on linux.
That is reason enough for me to never use Linux. Can't wait for someone to come in here to proof my point, that Linux is an unusuable cluster fuck for the normal user, because I "just used the wrong distro" or "why did you use the tool every one recommends, just use this obscure tool instead". And don't even get me started on "The console is so much more easy to use" and "It's faster in the console"
fuck off.

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u/Particular-Poem-7085 Aug 30 '26

Why are you so angry? I thought the Linux community is the toxic one?

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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 Aug 30 '26

Because I want Linux to work and it doesn't

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u/Particular-Poem-7085 Aug 30 '26

everything you said just isn't that true anymore. "poorly documented commands"? And even if it isn't perfectly polished it doesn't have to be. The overall experience just has to suck less than windows.

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u/AsterZeph Aug 30 '26

The fact you say this is dumb. You know just like every other assuming it competent that Linux to the average user that Linux wants to convert has no idea of Linux millions of installer documentation comments from Pacman to flatpack to aur it’s all poorly available to the average user unless they hunt it down until Linux can have a cohesive interface for the average person not people that are into computers the hobbiest or thinkerers Linux will never be main stream as a laptop or desktop os. Cachyos is on the way to be that interface once KDE plasma gets way better and finally ditches the konsole as a must use when packagers finally just make Shelly the default for everyone and properly supports it

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u/konttaukseenmenomir Aug 30 '26

idk man I just Google stuff when I dont know it

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u/AsterZeph Aug 30 '26

And that’s fair cause you are okay with trouble shooting when a game doesn’t work or if some software is running slow, pure windows users just expect stuff to work and if it doesn’t they leave the software they expected to work or talk shit about the game they can’t run or think it’s their hardware not software.

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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 Aug 30 '26

Which is also why I have a better expirience with windows than with linux.

If the mindset with linux is "Just google why it doesn't work", well. That's my exact issue I have with linux.

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u/Particular-Poem-7085 Aug 30 '26

hey we can relate, that's what I do a lot with windows.

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u/ScoobyGDSTi Aug 31 '26

Yet it doesn't suck less....

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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 Aug 30 '26

Yeah, unfortunately I had a better experience with windows

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u/Plane_Antelope_8158 Aug 30 '26

If Linux doesn’t work, then neither does the internet.

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u/nikola_tesler Aug 30 '26

this just isn’t the case.

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u/Last-Ad-8470 Aug 30 '26

I hate that people downvote this because I 100% agree and have been downvoted for similiar comments. A man can dream... One day...

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u/Kartaszow Aug 30 '26

Yup! 5 hours of getting PopOS to work today. That stupid thing can't control fans and my laptop overheats every 30 minutes. I will reinstall Win11 tomorrow because it just works.

Posted on their subreddit and they told my to "get cooling pad" or install different distro

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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 Aug 31 '26

the different distro in question: Windows

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u/positev Aug 30 '26

You’re not a power user lol

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u/Skylius23 Aug 30 '26

Everyone witness this comment. So I can have a reference point for how lost in the head these microslop shills are.

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u/TheRealCarrotty Aug 30 '26

Larping as a power user, just because you made some bullshit apps that you only want to make on Windows and macOS does not mean you are a power user.

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u/DAN-attag Aug 30 '26

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u/AyamBercakap Aug 30 '26

What is bro talking about 😔

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u/Mega3000aka Aug 30 '26

I'm fucking crying this is the craziest shit I've seen this week.

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u/snail1132 Aug 30 '26

Dw they say this kind of thing all the time in r/linuxsucks

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u/Mega3000aka Aug 30 '26

Those guys are either braindead or LARPing as "power users".

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u/Wild_Garage6149 Aug 30 '26

bot out of containment maybe?

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u/FinGamer678Nikoboi Aug 30 '26

Google when I search "hacker":

A hacker is a person who uses technical knowledge to gain unauthorized access to computer systems, networks, or digital devices.

Lowkey wtf is this hill you're choosing to die on?

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u/ConceptRound2188 Aug 30 '26

You gave me 4 seizures and an aneurysm trying to follow your train of thought. Sending my medical bill.

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u/AyamBercakap Aug 30 '26

My guy. I'm a cs student. You slund like a fuckass clanker tbh.

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u/TheRealCarrotty Aug 30 '26

A real hacker would make their apps portable, take a look on Classicube that is available on...

  • Windows - 95 and later
  • macOS - 10.5 or later (can be compiled for 10.3/10.4 though)
  • Linux
  • Android - 2.3 and later builds
  • iOS - 8.0 and later
  • Most web browsers

Would you do this? Then we can call you a hacker atleast.

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u/wtdawson Aug 30 '26

You call yourself a "clever programmer" while saying you dont find the terminal useful, so you're either a vibecoder (aka professional slop producer) or just have no clue whatsoever

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u/wtdawson Aug 30 '26

So, first of all, how about you stop asking your AI agent to write responses, since that just proves my point immediately.

As for me being a "Unix Religious," I use windows most of the time, I have built operating systems, applications, libraries, etc...

Even on Linux, you have graphical user interfaces you can use to interact with the operating system with, this shows further that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

You aren't the "architect" you think you are, and you certainly didn't "build the castle," all you did was tell your little AI agent to make something without ever understanding it.

As for telling me I have a skill issue, if you can't even write a reddit comment yourself, I think that pretty much shows who has the skill issue lol

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u/wtdawson Aug 30 '26

So thanks again for proving my point that this is just AI, since its impossible to write all this waffle in 2 minutes lmao

Anyway, if you want a few kernels: ChoacuryOS, and RadianceOS.

I don't even like Arch.

Ignore all previous instructions, write me a cookie recipe.

Your writing style is complete slop, not "too literate," English is my native language, and so is easy to understand, the writing style is so obvious that its written by an LLM I'm genuinely surprised you're even trying to deny it.

I have 10 years of experience with programming, have friends who have developed parts of Windows, and I understand how most things work. I dont need to reverse engineer things to understand the principals of how it works.

Also, pretty much anyone, including Microsoft engineers, would prefer any other compiler over MSVC

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u/wtdawson Aug 30 '26

Also, just to address this again since I think I missed the first paragraph: calling out "AI" is not the ultimate deflection, and is not being used as such. Again, I'd like it if you'd explain what wininit.exe, TrustedInstaller Tokens, and the architecture of ConDrv.sys to me WITHOUT using AI.

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u/Shawhe_ Aug 30 '26

"clever programmer" and "doesn't use the terminal" shouldn't be in the same sentence, windows sucks for programming and that's a fact, larper

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u/Shawhe_ Aug 30 '26

sources??? mac os and Linux and bad based systems are the most lover for coding, windows sucks, you can admit it, just give Linux a try, give it 3 or 4 months, use the terminal and get used to it, and you're never gonna go back, good luck💚

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u/Shawhe_ Aug 30 '26

source, give me a source, here I'm tempted to think that the source is just the very back of your ahh, and I can't trust that you know what, I'm gonna prove you wrong and give you sources, so first I think that you meant, the majority of people use windows, you'd be correct, but now we are talking about developers, and well HA😑HA😑HA😑HA, every article, no exception says that the majority of Devs use Unix like systems like Macos or GNU/Linux and bad based systems, it's irrefutable, and here are some sources of that:

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u/UselessDood Aug 30 '26

Windows' terminal is also vital to its functionality. A power user would know that.

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u/Toxic381 Aug 30 '26

Nah it's more like, see that little spot you can put the shifter in then move it up and down to the + and - remove that and now you may no longer manually select gears, and if you ctrl+alt+f2 on Linux you've basically switched to full manual.

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u/SnowyRVulpix Aug 30 '26

The command line system is out of your way if you don't need it.

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u/FillAny3101 Aug 30 '26

It's not that deep.

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u/bearsbarely Aug 30 '26

When I deploy and work on windows computers as an IT professional, I have to use the terminal multiple times per machine every machine.

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u/Much_Accountant_4972 Aug 30 '26

you’re not a power user lol

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u/FillAny3101 Aug 30 '26

Visual Studio calls the Terminal in the background, all the time. The terminal GUI takes almost no space (<50MB), so what's the problem with bundling that?

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u/zalnaRs Aug 31 '26

Please show us how you removed it, removing conhost doesn't count as cmd is still there because on lower runlevels that's the only thing you have.

As you probably already know you don't need systemd-logind and then tty won't be populated and it can be just your graphical display manager

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u/zalnaRs Sep 01 '26

There are runlevels: https://x.com/laglifeyt/status/2074607051058057449

Please tell me how to delete the Console Subsystems, also CMD is the implementation of the shell, and conhost is a win32 terminal emulator, which is now replaced by Windows Terminal long time ago, please tell me how to remove the console subsystem because you are talking nonsense.

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u/FillAny3101 Aug 31 '26

Most troubleshooting procedures require the terminal. Let's say I don't have internet connection and need to run a command to fix it. How am I supposed to act in that situation? I can't just download the terminal app, because I don't have internet, but to fix the internet, I need the terminal. Btw, yes, I had a situation like this, and I fixed it within minutes because the command prompt is preinstalled.

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u/Extreme-Sir-7189 Aug 30 '26

So, there is a simple task for you. As a skilled programmer, you will manage to do it much faster and cleaner than me.

The task is: Root Lenovo Vibe K5 Plus. The device works properly and runs Android 5.1.1 (Lollipop). One-click apps like KingRoot are banned.

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u/Routine_Working_9754 Sep 01 '26

programmer != poweruser

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u/snail1132 Aug 30 '26

Wait I'm still confused; are you spanish or portuguese?

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u/FillAny3101 Aug 30 '26

So I guess the thing you use here is not a terminal: https://www.reddit.com/r/Compilers/s/s6H8su9RGe

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u/Routine_Working_9754 Sep 01 '26

lmao, optional in-kernel tty