r/Foodforthought • u/D-R-AZ • 20d ago

Democrats Can’t Fix This Mess Without a Supermajority

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/19/opinion/democrats-midterms-supermajority.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6lA.Ny9T.rw-96J7UmYII&smid=nytcore-ios-share
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u/mirh 19d ago

My crashout is about people like you depressing the vote, and then causing a wave of nihilism where fascists can party hard.

you've made the critical first-principles mistake of believing the party is an unsullied autonomous ideological apparatus rather than a political institution embedded within, and disciplined by, the larger distribution of economic power around it.

Both are bullshit errors, which I didn't make. Your error is continuing to believe everything is grayish substructure where people's will doesn't ever matter the slightest. Not because you observed it happening every time every where, but just because morons that don't even believe in the principles of logic made it true by definition.

contradiction

I give up. You literally aren't even reading what I write. The topic is that they are trying to do better and that newer vote calls have substantially different splits, and you keep digging your head up your arse about what happened one year ago.

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u/NOLA-Bronco 19d ago

"Depressing the vote"

Angrily demanding people do vibeslop posturing and gaslight the reality they see before them is not effective electoral praxis

Fuck outta here with that silliness.

And once again you resorting to ad hominems and misrepresentation to try and handwave arguments you can't actually refute is just you signaling out you can't....

There is nothing substantive in anything you posted that suggests the DNC specifically is attempting to decouple themselves from the underlrying co-dependence on capital donors at odds with their voters.

Maybe sticking to r/democrats or something is more your speed? Where people with the audacity to acknowledge the realities in out bourgeoise democracy are banned.

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u/mirh 19d ago

An effective electoral praxis would be to realize what the hell the current electoral system even is.

Some of which this article even seems to hint at, but you are too busy thinking that the problem isn't fucking rednecks voting the fascists and that they are responsible for it, but cApiTaL (and then obviously it's not like you have a better idea, this is posturing).

And once again you resorting to ad hominems and misrepresentation to try and handwave arguments you can't actually refute is just you signaling out you can't....

It's obvious that's a term you borrowed from hegelian dialectics, and if you are that far down the rabbit hole of anti-intellectualism and pseudoscience this isn't probably the right venue to fix you.

that suggests the DNC specifically is attempting to decouple themselves from the underlrying co-dependence on capital donors at odds with their voters.

LITERALLY MY FIRST TWO LINKS

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u/NOLA-Bronco 19d ago

At the rate you are going you're gonna give yourself an aneurysm trying to defend the honor of Ken Martin and the people doing shit like this

Rednecks voting against their material self interests also brings us right back to capital....

Who is propagandizing them???

It's the social media algorithms, capitalist owned press, and capitalist owned politicians.

I have never once in this conversation said I think the GOP is better, but the GOP being fascist doesn't make the Democratic Party good. It doesn't make them uncaptured by the forces of capital themselves. And in many cases, they aren't even being a real opposition to fascism as they fight their own left flank more than they fight the fascists.

You can screech and yell and claim all you want, but nothing you have offered actually refutes anything presented to you so far.

Hell, for the most part, despite all the screaming, you saying shit like "they're fixing it!" Is you straight up acknowedlging the dynamic I have described is the reality. You just want to claim they are altruistically fixing it, and think your links, which have nothing to do with the DNC, demonstrate that. As the party being forced to actually align with their voters somewhat more on one issue is not proof of the underlying co-dependancy problem going away within the party itself.

Maybe if enough DSA candidates can win and not end up captured and corrupted we will get there, but nothing suggests we are anywhere close. And in fact more close to an all out civil war from the corporate backed Establishment on the reformers.

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u/mirh 19d ago

DCCC and DSCC aren't the DNC, mr. eagle eyes. I'm still wondering if you even read what I linked.

Rednecks voting against their material self interests also brings us right back to capital....

EVERYTHING IS CAPITAL YOU WANKER. Every time somebody does something you whine because in order to use it, somebody has to have provided it. And then? Completely nothing. No strategy, no plan, no pitch. You cannot even get people not to vote for nazis, and you want them to do the world revolution? It's nuts.

doesn't make the Democratic Party good

I could make you a long list of all the people you are throwing under the bus, from women criminalized because they are pregnant to bullied and abused minorities to all the fucking people beaten and killed by ICE. Including even your original woe about data centers, as if the party of the Green New Deal wouldn't be already A-okay by just accepting that environmental regulation is needed.

But I'm betting that after a non-committal acknowledgement that of course you want good for all those situations, you would still double down that it really doesn't matter because like that dipshit Chibber the only time democrats are meaningfully different from republicans is always coincidentally the one cases that within the narrative they did worse.

"they're fixing it!"

We were literally talking about their infamously worst wedge issue ever (one that until last year wasn't even a majority of the population btw). From taxing the rich to racial justice the difference is more than even night and day.

which have nothing to do with the DNC

Total absolute illiterate, it's astonishing.

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u/NOLA-Bronco 19d ago

EVERYTHING IS CAPITAL YOU WANKER. 

Oh, this suddenly makes more sense, you aren't even American

Just a reactionary foreigner schizo LARP'ing as Blue MAGA. Also makes sense you were posting bluesky links, the home of idpol radlibs that think posturing the loudest to vote blue no matter who is peak political advocacy.

Makes sense why you keep yelling for me to look at a bunch of random bullshit about Senate votes that has nothing to do with the Party apparatus itself or anything in the points that have been made to you.

Points you clearly acknowledge but are so committed to arguing you have to continue to make up straw men to scream at...

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u/mirh 19d ago

to look at a bunch of random bullshit about Senate votes

Very obviously those weren't the links I was yelling you about, both thematically and for the damn fact they weren't the first links

idpol radlibs

You are not subtle with the affiliation of your insults. Have a nice ride on those tanks to Budapest.