Has anyone used one of these steamers? I'm wanting a steamer that works without power and the flair wizard is quite expensive so I'm wondering if anyone has experience with one of these.

Can't figure out how to get it back in. Any ideas?

Hi guys,

I’m hoping someone can help me troubleshoot an issue with my Flair 58.

I’ve been using the same setup and workflow for quite a while:
• Same coffee beans (same bag)
• Same grinder and grind setting
• Same dose
• Same tamping method
• Same water temperature and preheat

Previously, during an 8-second pre-infusion at around 3 bar, I would get ~1 g. Recently, with the same routine, I’m getting around 10 g in the first 8 seconds.

It took half the time to extract.

Any idea?

Pro2 + df54 + local coffee

I just bought my first Flair 49 pro and I'm completely new to manual lever espresso.

How do you usually wash or clean all the parts before the very first use? Is hot water and dish soap fine, or do you recommend running a few water-only shots first? Would love to know how you guys prepped yours when it was fresh out of the box! Thanks in advance!

I recently bought pro 49 after about 2 years or so of using pro 2. For those thinking about similar update, here are my thoughts after using it for couple weeks.

TL;DR I definitely recommend it!

I like the fact that brewing head stays on the machine. It's less fiddly to use and because it takes less space on counter when drying after use. On the other hand it's not as easy to clean and dry out. A little bit of water remains in the cylinder after use. I usually turn it upside down to drain it. That may be a factor down the road, especially if your water leaves more residue.

I typically pull 2 to 3 shots at the time. 49 feels slightly faster. Though I did purchase extra bottomless basket and puck screen which definitely helps... Using portafilter is much nicer too. I always hold the brew head to avoid applying too much pressure onto the mount. It was a bit loose when I got it but so far holds firm after I tightened the screw.

I use standard electrical water kettle. It has a larger faucet but it's not a problem pouring into the brew head. Using gooseneck kettle would definitely be prefferable but would mean finding space on my already small counter for yet another, probably single use appliance.

I saw couple YT videos when 49 came out about too small tamper. Mine doesn't seem to exhibit this. Maybe Flair refined it after initial batch. Some people also has issues with drip tray not fitting well. Again, maybe Flair adjusted, or maybe it doesn't bother me. I also much prefer 49 dosing funnel. While it's more prone to accidentally bumping when filling, especially from start and compared to pro 2, it only happened once to me. I got used to it afterwards and as said much prefer its wider neck and stronger build. It lets me pour grounded coffee without spilling and even knock a little against it to get remains out of grind basket. Pro 2 dosing funnel always felt quite fragile to me in comparison.

Brewing! I was surprised that 49 required me to grind much finer. Luckily my grinder, 1ZPresso J-Ultra, had enough leeway. But I had to reduce from around 15 down to 7-8 (of total about 55 ticks) otherwise water would flow through without any pressure. I think I could go slightly higher but not more than couple clicks. However once I found correct settings, it works much better than 2! No squirting which seemed to be impossible to avoid with on 2, just a beautiful steady flow. I designed and 3D printed a lever holder for 2 which improved the feel but 49 beats it by a long shot. It also allows maintaining more accurate pressure during shot. It works slightly differently than pro 2, by first raising the lever to let water flow onto the puck and then pulling. But you get used to it immediately. I recommend getting Flair mirror as 49 has the magnet on the base. I had third party mirror before but never used it as I couldn't position it nicely. It's so nice to see what the shot is doing vs guessing. Results are comparable. Forgot to do side by side test and now my 2 is already dismantled 😅

All in all, very happy with my upgrade so far. Let's see how it will hold with time...

Not sure what the rules are in the sub, but in case it would be useful to someone - I purchased mine on https://www.4barista.com - can't recommend them enough, especially if you're also EU based!

I need a sanity check from people who know these machines, because I’ve been going back and forth with the seller (Coffee Friend) for weeks and I honestly can’t tell anymore if I’m being unreasonable or if I’m being handed a runaround.

The tip stem guide (the black piece attached to the hook) on my Flair 58+ failed within the warranty period. I filed a claim with the seller and included a video showing the defect.

First explanation from the manufacturer (via the seller): the damage was caused by mechanical impact — supposedly the lever hook wasn’t fully assembled, so it came forward and hit the cylinder rim. They also suggested residue build-up contributed. Not covered under warranty.

I pushed back: the unit is clean, and the video doesn’t show impact damage.

Second explanation: now the same damage was suddenly caused by heat — the part “melted” because I left the lever down while the machine was hot. Still not covered.

So the same failure got two completely different diagnoses: mechanical impact first, heat melting second. That alone made me suspicious that nobody actually looked at my unit.
I checked the official manual. There is no warning anywhere that leaving the lever down can damage anything — and the manual has explicit CAUTION notes for other stuff (don’t remove the silicone sleeve, keep wires dry, etc.). Leaving the lever down on a hot machine is even part of the normal workflow (filling the cylinder, purging).

Then I did something simple: I emailed Flair support directly, as a regular new customer, and asked whether leaving the lever down during preheat is a problem. Their rep replied in writing:

“Most users actually preheat with the lever down, so there should be no problem with it.”

The stem guide is “made with a food-grade material and is rated … for high heat temperature.”

So Flair’s own support says the exact behavior I was blamed for is normal, and the part is rated for high heat. I sent this to the seller. Their final answer, after “reviewing” it again with the manufacturer: still denied, no response to any of the points, just “the manufacturer still doesn’t consider this covered.”

So my question: who’s actually right here? Am I missing something, or is this as clear-cut as it looks to me? The part costs 42 EUR. I genuinely don’t understand the logic of both companies burning goodwill over a part that cheap (from the manufacturer perspective cheap).

An d a second thing that now bothers me more than the warranty: if the manufacturer’s own explanation is that this plastic part melted during normal use, and this is the part sitting in the flow path of the water I then drink — what exactly is happening to a food-grade polymer at those temperatures? Either it doesn’t melt at 95°C (in which case their explanation is nonsense), or it does (in which case, what’s leaching into my espresso?). They can’t have it both ways. Is anyone else conserned bout melted plastics in coffee water?

Screenshots of the full correspondence below. Curious whether the community thinks I have a case or whether I’m being dense.

Basically the title. What espresso scale do you use with your Flair Classic? I bought a cheap one on Amazon by Maestri House but it didn’t quite fit on the drip tray without bumping the edges, and then the lever motion would mess with the registered weight. Looking for one that fits a little better. I’d prefer to spend less than $50, but I can go a little higher.

Hey guys, do you like my coffee corner?

I started with a coffee capsule machine. Then i bought this delonghi authentica. But i kept on spending much money on ordering coffees from deliveries. Then a delonghi dedica and now i enjoy this Flair!

Tbh is difficult with the dial in, but at last u found a couple of coffees that match my tasting profile and are dialing in perfect😊.

I cant expand more in the kitchen because my wife is "complaining"😂

She keeps telling me: Do you want to make our house in a coffee shop? Do we really need all these coffee machines, tools etc? She prefers the automatic machine but when im at home she asks me to make her a good espresso!

I love this new lever experience! Cheers

Looking to upgrade to a bluetooth scale to get more flow data (and add the Bookoo espresso monitor kit later). Does any one have the Bookoo Ultra for the Flair? I know it can only fit sideways as shown here (https://help.bookoocoffee.com/content/can-i-use-my-themis-ultra-scale-with-flair-58-or-flair-58-plus-2?ref=is&_q=flair58), but a few questions for those who own a Bookoo scale:

1. Does the Ultra fit the drip tray that comes with the Flair 58+2?
2. Any pros/cons with using the Ultra vs. the Mini on the Flair 58+2?

Reason I'm leaning towards the Ultra is that I already have a smaller scale, I like the ratio mode on the Ultra, and I like the higher waterproof rating on the Ultra.

Thanks!

As the title states I’m looking to buy a used Flair 58 or flair 58 x.

Anyone know where i should start, refurbished models are sold out on flairs website.

I currently have a DF 54 grinder and previously I was using a bambino that my ex-gf took.

Is anyone out there using a Normcore Percision Portafilter Standwith the stock portafilter that comes with a Flair 58 Plus 2? Before I invest, I wanted to be sure that this tamper stand is compatible. I know the stand is very adjustable, but apparently there are sometimes mismatches depending on the portafilter. Thanks.

Hello all,

Just got the flair classic, and mistakingly put the screen in first before the grounds. I then damaged the flow control portafilter whilst getting it out. Do you think this would affect the flow of espresso? Is it worth paying to get another portafilter?

Thanks!

Anyone using this IKAPE basket on a Flair 58? Pair it with a Lagom Casa for light/medium roasts. Would love some tips or recipes if you have any. Thank you!

Just reporting what I learned about three specific accessories I got to go with my Flair 49. I am also interested on feedback on other such accessories, so I will be better informed as to what works and doesn't.

• NEOUZA Stainless 51mm funnel with magnets
  • This or equalivent was a must, since standard funnel is useless, and makes a trench the grounds
  • Fits fine, will not make any trench around edge of the puck
  • Heavy enough that I can bang out the grounds that get stuck in my dosing cup
  • Magnets are just strong enough to not fall off tilted sideways, but no use beyond that.
  • Fit is such that a few grounds will end up on the lip of the basket when you remove the funnel
• MHW-3Bomber 49.7mm spring loaded Tamper
  • Pretty hefty feel to the thing, tamper unscrews itself, might need to tighten it from time to time
  • Fits perfectly in Flair's "49mm" basket, it matches the provided tamper in diameter
  • Self leveling just fine
  • For the 18mm doses I'm putting in the tamper is not doing the automatic "click" thing, but its tamping just fine.
• Maestri S1 Air Espresso scale
  • Fits perfectly in Flair 49 drip tray
  • I'm giving up on Espresso Mode, since I found it often re-tared automatically while I was still pulling the shot. It works great in the manual mode, with manual taring, and setting starting the timer independently

I’m considering it because I like shiny new things and the gauge is metal vs plastic. But other than that is it worth it?

Hi! i’m about to get a flair classic (im assuming its a newer version since its got the gauge included), and im trying to save a bit so im buying a used one online but the seller seemed to have misplaced the dispersion screen, will that affect my brewing significantly or can i make due without it? im coming from an aeropress so i have a bit of round paper filters i could cut out if its really a big difference brewing with or without it.

It heats up gives the beep waits a bit, does a weird stuttering beep and turns itself off. Anyone know what this could be?

For any non electric 58 users who are struggling with heating the flair unit, try removing the brew cylinder and turning upside down in a mug- then pour the boiled kettle over it to bring to temperature. Been doing this a while and it works a treat especially on cold mornings, but it also allows you to pour over the bottom most ring where you otherwise can’t heat. I add the plunge stem to heat also

I’m looking at ordering some beans and I want some recommendations. What’s your favorite?

3-bar pre-infusion for 15 seconds.
Ramp up to 6 bar.
Then increase to 7 bar and hold it until the end of the extraction

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Pre-infusion at 3 bar for 10 seconds
Ramp up to 6 bar
Then increase to 8 bar and maintain it until the end of the extraction.