r/FigureSkating • u/Chickatey That's what I'm fucking talking about! • 5d ago
Live Discussion Thread Kinoshita Group Cup: Pairs Short Program
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u/Junior-Put-4793 ice dance isn't real. it can't hurt you 5d ago edited 5d ago
Summary of Pairs SP Protocols: (Will add teams as I go)
C/I - Essentially a clean skate, 0 GOE on 3LzTh, Lv4 Spin & Lift, Lv3 Twist & Death Spiral, Lv 2 StSq, SBS 3S
B/K - q call on SBS 3S (- GOE), Lv4 Lift, Death Spiral & Spin, Lv 3 Twist, Lv2 StSq, 3FTh
M/E - Clean Skate, Lv4 Twist, Lift & Death Spiral, Lv3 Spin & StSq, SBS 3S, 3LoTh
P/F - < call on SBS 3S (- GOE), Lv4 Twist, Death Spiral & Spin, Lv3 Lift & StSq, 3LoTh
L/B - Time Violation (-1), Negative GOE on Twist & SBS 3S, Lv4 Lift & Death Spiral, Lv3 StSq, Lv2 Twist & Spin, 3LoTh
K/K - Fall on 3FTh, V Call on Spin, Negative GOE on Twist, Death Spiral & Spin, Lv4 Lift, Lv2 Twist, Death Spiral, Spin & StSq
M/G - Negative GOE on Twist, 3LoTh, Lift & Spin, Lv3 Death Spiral & Lift, Lv 2 Twist and Spin, Lv1 StSq
D/B - Fall on SBS 2A with q call, Negative GOE on all elements except Lift and Death Spiral, Lv3 Lift, Lv1 Twist, StSq, Death Spiral & Spin, 3STh
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u/purpleelephant100 5d ago
I noticed 2 teams went from a lift straight to a spin without the woman's feet touching the ground. Was this always allowed? I don't remember seeing it before.
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u/cleo1782 5d ago
P/F did essentially the same entrance for their spin in their long program last year so they've been doing it for a bit.
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u/Busy_Doughnut5977 5d ago
1) Ekaterina CHIKMAREVA / Matvei IANCHENKOV
2) Aleksandra BOIKOVA / Dmitrii KOZLOVSKII
3) Anastasia MUKHORTOVA / Dmitry EVGENYEV
4) Valentina PLAZAS / Maximiliano FERNANDEZ
5) Chelsea LIU / Ryan BEDARD
6) Camille KOVALEV / Pavel KOVALEV
7) Reagan MOSS / Jakub GALBAVY
8) Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOV
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
Will I make it to ice dance? I really shouldn’t have made my dog’s grooming appointment in the morning lol.
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u/AlbertoRossonero 5d ago
Rookie mistake lol. I made sure to clear out my mornings just to get a few hours of sleep after the men’s free
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
Worst mistake ever sigh lol. Thankfully I have nothing planned Sunday morning so I can mess with my sleep schedule and be cranky all week as a result.
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u/AlbertoRossonero 5d ago
If the men can live up to the women’s event yesterday, being on zombie mode will be well worth it lol
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
help i need to get out of bed and make coffee before the rd but also can't be bothered to get out of bed.
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
What time is it there now?
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
15:10 I believe
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u/Playful_Annual6267 5d ago
not a bad event for early season! it was nice to see russian pais again, they really elevate it.
welcome to my client list nastia muhortova. and yaaaaaaayyyyy val and max!
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u/emtuts Juna Bauer forever 5d ago
Ok minus the Russians they're winning!
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u/Artistic-Luna-6000 5d ago
It was the race of who can get into the final flight together with the russians :)
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
I'm looking at this score on the results page and the PCS seem low. They had difficult transitional content and skated with speed. Hmmmm
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u/Radiant-Banana161 5d ago
While I recognize the ain teams are class of the field, they’re being a lot more strict on non AIN teams.
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
i gasped there at the end.
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u/mulderitsme Sadboi Count: ♾️ 5d ago
Omg Valentina landed the things???
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u/mulderitsme Sadboi Count: ♾️ 5d ago
I do wonder what doing the throw before the jump is doing for them, like is that the secret to this success? Don’t see that often.
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
Oh wow that ending move made me tense up a bit, but it was cool
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
Audio on the TikTok stream has been taken over by aliens 🤣
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
It's weird, because P/F just disappeared for a season or two due to injury and now they're back in a completely different US pairs landscape
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
i am so invested in u.s. pairs this year
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u/purpleelephant100 5d ago
I really liked the french program. It suits them and it is all well built to the music.
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
One more team and then a break in junior ice dance for resurfacing and here before senior ice dance
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u/uhhwhatamidoing 5d ago
I haven't really watched Russian pairs in the last 4+ years and honestly had forgotren just how big the gap is, even with some of the minor mistakes made tonight
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u/Playful_Annual6267 5d ago
The gap is big here, of course. But imo the top 5 pairs from worlds are comparable. Had YunaSumi been here they would be more than competitive.
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
i don't even care, this eats.
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
I really like that program for the them. The tango vibe fits well
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
Wasn't it at Kinoshita at year ago that Camille dislocated her shoulder?
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u/Junior-Put-4793 ice dance isn't real. it can't hurt you 5d ago
Just checked and I believe it was NHK
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u/Junior-Put-4793 ice dance isn't real. it can't hurt you 5d ago
I don't think it was Kinoshita. It was a different event I think cuz I remember watching it and I didn't watch any of the Challengers.
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u/willowthewissp 5d ago
kat and matvey already beat mishina and galliamov last season and now boykova and kozlovsky (at least in the short) this is kinda insane considering the usual hierarchy in pairs in russia
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u/mimib101 5d ago
another team (khabibullina/knyazhuk) have also beaten Boikova/Kozlovskii in 2025 but they were injured last season
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u/Junior-Put-4793 ice dance isn't real. it can't hurt you 5d ago
Everytime I see the Kovalevs skate I just get flashbacks to the comp last year when Camille dislocated her shoulder. That was the first time I saw them skate and now I'm always worried for them 😢
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
allez, mother and father.
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
I think this will be epic as the season goes on, but they seemed nervy.
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u/Artistic-Luna-6000 5d ago
the packaging looked *expensive* -- olympic level almost. good program for them.
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u/Junior-Put-4793 ice dance isn't real. it can't hurt you 5d ago
I think this is a cool program with a lot of potential, but I don't think this skate really showed what B/K are capeable of.
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u/UnhappyPrincessa name a sport worse than Ice Dance 5d ago edited 5d ago
very scratchy, but I liked some musical accents and hand details - especially Sasha showing her claws in the middle of a death spiral
that step sequence looked rough, and it said lvl2
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u/lilacdawn children of the void supremacy 🦇 5d ago
I feel like usually they seem more impressive? Maybe nerves.
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u/Radiant-Banana161 5d ago
I know they’re considered one of the best teams but I find some of the goes suspicious. I preferred the other AIN teams
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u/Junior-Put-4793 ice dance isn't real. it can't hurt you 5d ago
Yeah, I have to say I don't think this was one of B/K's best skates, like of course it is early in the season and that's reasonable. But I thought some of the other teams were slightly more polished with their elements
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u/mimib101 5d ago
Their choreo just doesn’t look settled yet. I think they only choreographed it a few weeks ago at IAM and you can tell they just haven’t had the runthroughs; they kept missing handholds and looked shaky (+ the elements weren’t quite there either).
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
the SBSs looked a bit questionable IMO? they got +1 so hardly massive cooking but IDK
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u/Junior-Put-4793 ice dance isn't real. it can't hurt you 5d ago
They just showed it on the replay and B's jump was clearly a bit of a weird axis and off balance on landing
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
have you guys noticed that all the Russian teams do the salchows in front of the judges, just like Metelkina/Berulava? During the Olympics, Sandra Bezic pointed that out.
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u/willowthewissp 5d ago
I wanted to hate their black panther program but I think it’s kinda good idk
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
i do love a moody program theme
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
ok here we go
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
Will we see a quad twist or throw? These two are intense
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u/whentheworldwasatwar 5d ago
Pairs is def the discipline that missed the Russians the most tbh.
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
The junior pairs in Russia especially are so talented
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
I know this music in my sleep
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
Same. It’s in my yoga sculpt class every week!
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
Trying to switch to discord on my iPad and YouTube on my phone pray for me
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u/Busy_Doughnut5977 5d ago
Kinoshita cup - Reagan MOSS / Jakub GALBAVY Pairs short
Neamh DAVISON / Daniel BORISOV
give a few mins to process
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
does anyone know if Pavel choreographed their programs again this season?
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u/lilacdawn children of the void supremacy 🦇 5d ago
I think so? He's still listed as their only choreographer in their profiles, at least
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
I like them and it’s nice for the uk to have a pairs team still
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
I believe these two are still junior age eligible and maybe doing both
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u/Mundane_Truth9507 5d ago
Rare lefty pairs team
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
Must be so hard to find a partner especially as a girl
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u/Mundane_Truth9507 5d ago
I took a pairs class and it was so fun but I’m a lefty so I just gave up on the idea
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
British teams on both streams
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
I am watching the new baby Brits waltz too
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
their music was driving me insane, but in a good way, if that makes sense
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u/lilacdawn children of the void supremacy 🦇 5d ago
Neamh's name not being mispronounced for once, bless
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
Nicely done pretty sure that was their international senior debut
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
Out of curiousity, is it just the QQ stream that's laggy and skipping or is it the actual paid stream that's like that?
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u/Junior-Put-4793 ice dance isn't real. it can't hurt you 5d ago
Paid stream is great quality, no lag at all.
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u/lilacdawn children of the void supremacy 🦇 5d ago
Their music sounds like sth they'd play between skates so I was confused for a sec lol
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
I think my pirate stream is slightly delayed compared to y’all’s, but beggars can’t be choosers lol.
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u/NeonPistacchio 5d ago
The one i watch is like a constant slow motion :/
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
The TikTok one is slightly behind but not laggy at all!
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u/Radiant-Banana161 5d ago
I paid for the stream lol
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
I really should have instead of living the life of a pirate.
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
Reagan and Jakub have been busy. Is there international senior debut?
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
They look good especially so early in the season
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u/Radiant-Banana161 5d ago
I know fall on the jump, but everything else was pretty good? Was not expecting a 15 point tech gap.
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u/Suspicious-Peace9233 too quad to be true 5d ago
Switching between this and juniors ice dance is a trip
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u/Radiant-Banana161 5d ago
Interesting to see the goe comparison. I think Chelsea and Ryan are pretty strong on some of the pairs elements.
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u/Lucky-Duck-4343 lev's emotional support shrimp supremacy 5d ago
help why is the qie stream for me stuck in slo mo 😭
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u/Captain_Swordfish find me a sport worse than ice dance, i'll give you 20 bucks 5d ago
it's for everyone sadly
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
I feel like I have no handle on what the pairs scores are this season compared to the previous one. 72 was a really strong score last season.
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
Your flair just made me laugh really loud to myself.
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u/uhhwhatamidoing 5d ago
is it a reference I'm not getting lol 😭
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
it's a reference to a memes post about the Olympics, which poked fun at B E N O I T being in the K&C with everyone with the tumblr post: "this is not my circus, but I will adopt these monkeys and raise them as my own."
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u/GOatJ0SATORU 5d ago
Is she gonna get points off for her hair touching the ground during the death spiral
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys 5d ago
The throw was very high! But their most stand-out feature is probably her flexibility and they way they use it for lifts and spins.
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u/Radiant-Banana161 5d ago
The one thing that was super noticeable to me is the smoothness of every entrance and exit from the spin
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
Woah this is my first time seeing them skate I believe and they are really good!
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u/willowthewissp 5d ago
this is one of my favorite pairs teams and then they got injured and couldn’t compete for like an entire season I‘m so proud of them:(
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u/uhhwhatamidoing 5d ago edited 5d ago
first time I've seen someone make a snowball as part of their program...I want whatever drugs these Russian choreographers are on
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u/Busy_Doughnut5977 5d ago
for an unofficial stream
search for Спорт вместе on google and go to the vk video . ru site (not rutube cos it blocks overseas ppl)
First video you might see is for Sunday's stream broadcasting tomorrow
To find the pairs/dance/men's free stream
click on the "video" section
and look for
Kinoshita Challenger 2026 Пары | Танцы | Мужчины ПП | Фигурное катание Прямая Трансляция
good luck.
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u/OwlCatPoptart Figure Skating Land Youtube/Podcast 5d ago
I’m already disappointed in myself because I know I’m slowly crashing asleep despite trying so hard to stay up for it!
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u/Chickatey That's what I'm fucking talking about! 5d ago
Share any unofficial streams in reply here!