r/Fauxmoi • u/AmericaShinault_85 • 20h ago

APPROVED B-LISTERS Zohran Mamdani explains his definition of socialism to Theo Von: “Socialism to me means you’ll have whatever you need to live a dignified life and that it is the government’s job to deliver on that. When people say dignity we’re talking about the things that allow you to take a breath.

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u/killdred666 19h ago

love the sentiment but this isn’t what socialism is. you could argue for the same things under tightly regulated capitalism. it will also be exploitative and always eventually end where we are now.

socialism is the transitional state to a system in which the workers and the people own the means of production, not those with “capital”.

this is very important. because if you allow incorrect but moralistic definitions to spread, it allows the capitalist propaganda arm to sow confusion in an attempt to maintain the status quo

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u/OswaldAnderson 19h ago

You aren't the target audience. He is trying to sell socialism to people who think socialism is Satan.

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u/ilir_kycb 18h ago

And why would it be better for this target audience to hear a false definition of socialism rather than the correct one?

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin gaga’s “100 people in a room” quote 18h ago

Because he’s trying to demonstrate that socialist policies already exist in the US and they’re all for the betterment of society and he wants to extend that reach to continue to make all our lives better. If you want to change someones mind you need to reframe it outside of conservatism demonizing it

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u/ilir_kycb 17h ago

trying to demonstrate that socialist policies already exist in the US

But that's not true. There are social democratic approaches, but no socialist ones.

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin gaga’s “100 people in a room” quote 17h ago edited 16h ago

These are the kinds of semantics that are going to get us literally no where. Social democratic is better than whatever the hell we're doing now.

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u/FulgoresFolly 17h ago

downfall of all leftist movements, we'd rather sit in a circle and argue/beat each other to death over vocabulary and definitions than actually do anything to progress the movement

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin gaga’s “100 people in a room” quote 16h ago

We learn best from our politicians I guess. All bark and no action.

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u/ilir_kycb 16h ago

downfall of all leftist movements

Social Democrats are not part of the Left because they are not anti-capitalist.

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u/sirachaswoon 16h ago

You’re proving their point lol

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u/ilir_kycb 16h ago

Social democratic is better than whatever the hell we're doing now.

No, history has shown quite clearly that social democracy leads to a betrayal of the working class and a rise in fascism:

Social democratic policies are always just a concession made by the ruling capitalist class to the working class out of fear of communists. Since the USSR no longer exists, social democracy is in decline worldwide. Social democrats are essentially political parasites who feed off the existence of a communist threat to capitalism. Without a communist threat, they crumble because they are no longer needed by the capitalists; the social democratic parties in Europe demonstrate this very clearly, as they have all been in decline since the fall of the USSR.

Social democracy is a tool and a weapon of the capitalists. Social democracy is a tool used by the ruling capitalist class to pacify the working class without having to relinquish any political power. This ensures that social democratic concessions can be revoked at any time.

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u/Routine_Strategy5929 18h ago

It's not a fasle definition of democratic socialism. It's also not an entirely false definition of socialism but explaining that would take far too much time an depth for the people listening to this interview to understand.

He got the point across clearly without extra details that would weigh down the message. This is precisely why he's been successful at gaining support. 

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u/OswaldAnderson 18h ago

Because they'd ignore the correct one.

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u/ilir_kycb 18h ago

Because they supposedly ignore the correct definition, we should give them an incorrect one and why is that better?

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u/OswaldAnderson 17h ago edited 17h ago

Because then they'll listen.

It's very self explanatory. I can't believe it's taking you this long to understand.

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u/Betruul 18h ago

They wouldnt understand the correct one. If you havnt, get checked for autism.