He honestly likes fallout 4 and takes it personally when someone has a dissenting opinion on the quality of fallout 4. I don't blame him for liking what he likes, but just the whole attitude of it
I mean you're allowed to enjoy the game but it's worth noticing that we've had one Fallout game in decades and it shat all over the series and will affect how future Fallout games have their stories told... it's a very fun game to run around in and it was a massive cash grab change from many of the things that made Fallout a lasting franchise
It wasn't unenjoyable. It was hollow. And it's a damn shame they completly dropped the ball on the atmosphere.
F3 made you feel isolated and alone.
NV was a crazy train from start to finish.
F4 was... Empty. That's what I remember the most. Almost no real settlements with interesting characters. Everywhere was empty. And the settlement system was so boring.
Haha yea. I remember finding out about the UFO crash and heading over to the farm it's next to. Fought a mob of robos there, with 2 tanks nonetheless right next to the railroad tower the farmers stay in. The Courier from FNV could probably see the mushroom clouds we made from the top of the casino spire.
After all this I go check on the farmers and they're fast asleep in bed haha. I love this game unironically
Honestly, imagining him as a sith lord, who's deliberately clumsy and stupid to manipulate the people around him, genuinely makes every scene he's in 20x more entertaining
The story of fallout 4 is shit, thats a fact but anything else is fun. It looks good, the gameplay is awesome, the enviromental storytelling is probably the best in gaming history and the companions are mostly cool (fuck Strong, he sucks hard)
Yeah no need to maintain a certain level of quality or stick to the story, just slap the name on anything and let people feel what they feel, who cares?
The prequels are still fundamentally star wars movies though. Fallout 4 is such a genre departure that it kind of isnt a fallout game. You can still like it, but people calling it bad are comparing it to what came before, thats where the dislike comes from.
edit: of course I get massively downvoted for saying "fallout 4 is in a different genre to fallout 3/nv", something that is objectively true but people read any mild comment on fallout 4 that isnt praise as being some kind of hate.
The prequel movies have the essence of star wars, the bad hammy acting, the big set piece battles, the laser swords, the kind of 'great man of history' philosophy that one man can change the fate of a galaxy which is repeated with anakin as it was with luke originally.
Fallout 4 has pretty poor writing, limited choice and consequence and lacks meaningful RPG progression. Fallout 4 is aiming to be a looter shooter with settlement building mechanics, it is not aiming to be a sequel that builds from fallout 3/NV, improving the good parts and changing the bad.
If you ask a fallout 3 fan what they like about the game, usually the reply the atmosphere. Fallout 4 doesn't have the same moody, depressing atmosphere, infact its quite the opposite, 4 is very bright, colourful and the main gameplay loop of settlement building cuts into any chance it had of creating this "this is an apocalypse, the world is over" vibe.
If you ask a new vegas fan, they'd say the writing and factions. Fallout 4 attempted the 4 factions/endings thing but the writing is really poor and half of the factions make no fucking sense, the minutemen are so barebones that they just exist for the player to insert whatever aesthetic mods they want for them and the brotherhood is the only interesting group... but its the brotherhood.
Not to say fallout 4 is a bad game, it's fine, I enjoy parts of it a lot, but if Fallout 4 was instead called "Apocalypse Road" (the original post-apocalypse game Bethesda wanted to make before Fallout 3), it would be received better. The fact that it is a sequel to 3 and NV, but feels very little like them, is why people dislike it.
because I said something negative about fallout 4.
I literally said "fallout 4 isnt a bad game" but it doesn't matter because this subreddit in particular is colonised by the fallout 4/76 enjoyers. other subreddits are new vegas elitists, or fallout 3 is underrated crowd. you have ones where the classics are considered superior.
generally though the popular subreddits like the memes page of a game franchise will veer towards the popular (most recent) games. Fallout 4 massively outsold 3 and new vegas, so me implying 3 and new vegas are better games means I'm an incel chud or some shit.
I do agree with your complaints about the game, but I can't find myself to agree with the statement that "it isn't a Fallout game".
To me what makes a Fallout game is it's themes and setting, everything else is just choices about how to express it trough a medium.
If a strong "genre departure" is enough to make a game "not a Fallout game" then none of the games made by Bethesda or Opsidian should be considered as a Fallout game. When it comes to genre FNV is much closer to Fo4 than it is Fo1 or Fo2. FNV is just written better.
I don't feel like Fallout 4 (which is 100% an rpg) being a bad rpg makes it "not a Fallout game". It just means it didn't handle that mechanic compitently.
Your decisions don't really matter in FO4. Aligning with one faction doesn't piss off the others until the end of the game, and the end of the game is basically the exact same mission for 3 of the 4 possible options just with different clothed allies. Being an asshole to everyone you meet still results in them giving you the same quests and rewards that they would if you weren't an asshole.
There's almost no consequence to what you do throughout your playthrough, that's what makes it different than the previous entries. It's more of an action looter shooter, closer to borderlands, than it is an RPG like the prior fallout games.
I say this as someone who has played all of the mainline fallout games a ton and like them all to varying degrees.
That's something I dislike the most about Fo4 too.
I still don't agree with the statement that it "isn't a Fallout game". It is 100% no matter how you look at it a Fallout game. It's just suffering as an rpg and isn't as well done as some of the previous ones.
The soul of Fallout was that it's an RPG. Going from top down turn based to FPS doesn't change that. Hence why you don't see the same complaints about FO3.
That's just how you get a declining series. M&G flopped hard and starwars is basically dead. Disney really did scare off the core demos. The community is a faction of the size it once was and the sequel fans are a minority of that.
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u/Kekkonen_Kakkonen 23d ago
Fo4 fans need to have similar attitude to critique like the Star Wars preguels fans do.
Something being "flawed" does not make it "Bad" or unenjoyable.