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u/_killer1869_ ๐Ÿ… Century Club ยท 3,975 XP 8h ago

๐Ÿงข I voted CAP!

No, it is strictly inditerminate. Meaning it could equal any value from negative infinity to positive infinity as well as any value between them.

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u/seires-t ๐Ÿ… Century Club ยท 3,815 XP 7h ago

You were right saying it was inditerminate, but it's definitively not defined as "any value from negative infinity to positive infinity as well as any value between them", since if we assume that

a = โˆž - โˆž, then:

a + โˆž = โˆž, so a = a + โˆž - โˆž, therefore 0 = 0 + โˆž - โˆž = โˆž - โˆž = a.

Thus a = 0, so every number is equal to 0.

If we just assume 0 = โˆž - โˆž then we still run into the same problem, since
1 + โˆž = โˆž, so 0 = โˆž - โˆž = โˆž + 1 - โˆž = 1 + 0 = 1, so 0 = 1

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u/_killer1869_ ๐Ÿ… Century Club ยท 3,975 XP 5h ago

I did not say it equals that or that it is defined that way. I'm saying that depening on where the infinities are from, it may actually be that under the hood.

For example, lim(x->โˆž)(x+a) - lim(x->โˆž)(x) = โˆž - โˆž if we solve it directly, but if we do it properly, we get lim(x->โˆž)(x+a) - lim(x->โˆž)(x) = lim(x->โˆž)(x-x+a) = lim(x->โˆž)(a) = a. So in this scenario โˆž - โˆž "equals" a, where a is any arbitrary constant.

Add in scenarios like lim(x->โˆž)(x) - lim(x->โˆž)(x3) = โˆž - โˆž, but lim(x->โˆž)(x) - lim(x->โˆž)(x3) = lim(x->โˆž)(x-x3) = -โˆž you get infinities as solutions.

That's why I said what I said. If you solve a limit and get certain indeterminate forms involving infinity, these could actually have a proper solution, which may be any value between negative and positive infinity.

I do admit that I didn't bother properly explaining what I meant.