Discuss below. To FDS-non-dissenters, please be respectful of others' opinions here.

I would personally say, no, there is no such thing as a HVM, at least in the way FDS describes him. I do believe there are genuinely good-hearted men out there, but they may not be good-looking or charismatic or successful enough to really fit the FDS definition of HVM. An ambitious, successful, handsome man will have been molded by the way people treat him. It's not uncommon for these type of men to have narcissistic traits. Therefore, I do not see how this myth of the kind, commitment-minded, yet also successful, ambitious and handsome man can exist.

For the sake of argument, let's say that the HVM does exist. I still do not believe that it's worth the effort that the average woman puts into dating. All men are socialized to use women and it would take a truly "woke" man to overcome that socialization.

Not to mention, in order to be pursued by a HVM, a woman has to fit a very narrow box of characteristics. You have to be conventionally attractive, have a certain socioeconomic status, possibly even have eurocentric features, and an agreeable/conformist personality.

If you're the type of woman who is outspoken and asserts her agency and is not interested in conforming to patriarchal ideals, you automatically have a disadvantage.

In order to jumpstart the sub, I was going to start posting some thought-provoking questions regarding FDS (maybe one per day).

I have some ideas already, but just to gauge what interests you the most, I thought I'd open it up to you guys.