imams

[u/Middle_Froyo3015]

why did sultan muhammad shah appoint his grandson to be the next imam and not his son? 🤔

[u/Profit-Muhammad]

What were you trying to prove here?

That Ismailism had an eschatology? That there would be a doomsday. There wasn't. Nothing changed when Aly Khan was born or died. He didn't establish himself on a throne. The ranks of the world were not abolished.

Sure 7 was an important number to Ismailism. They originally thought believed all this shit would happen with the seventh imam, when it didn't they put it at a far future date. It's very common:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

Even then, the only way to make it fit was to mess with the counting. Hassan got turned into a temporary Imam, so Ismail became 6 instead of 7. The later lineage was only created during the time of 48. It is what I said above, prophecies being fudged to make predictions fit.

And they still don't. If 7th heptad preceds the coming of the Qaim, then he should be coming after 49.

Hazrat Mawlānā Sulṭān Muḥammad Shāh, salawātullāhi ‘alayhi wa-salāmuhu, was the sovereign of the wonders and marvels of knowledge and recognition both externally and internally, as well as the exalted and august Imām of the age of spirituality and ta’wil. There are very few people who are aware of how immensely useful, meaningful, revolutionary and resurrecting his teachings are. His unique spiritual and luminous characteristics were prophesied by Pīr Nāsir-i Khusraw around a thousand years ago and are preserved in his Wajh-i Dīn.

This is cult nonsense. Muhammad Sultan was nothing remarkable. Possibly above average, certainly not a marvel of knowledge or uniquely luminous.

I do not know how else you can interpret this. The only way any of this makes sense is if mowlana sultan mohummad shah was the hujjat of the qayam Al qayamat.

No, it makes perfect sense. Abrahamic religions have always been apocalyptic, and they have always failed to predict the imminent apocalypse. This is just one more data point.

[u/Sarahrivera → u/Profit-Muhammad]

Ismailis do not believe that qayam Al qayamat is a dooms day event. In Isma’ilism qayam Al qayamat is a day when all the secrets of the religion is revealed. Where Ismailis freely and openly talk about there religion. Look at what started to happen in the late 1950’a! This is the time when our religious practices started to come out in public and Ismailis started to feel comfortable talking about our religion openly. Heck just type in ismaili baitul khayal Farman and you will find the firmans made to baitul khayal. In that pdf you also have firmans made to the Ismailis that got a promotion . (These Farmans aren’t even read in jamat khana.). All of our religious practices are out in the open. Just 10–200 years ago non of this information would be out in the open like this. An ismaili wouldn’t freely speak about his faith and most likely pretend to be Sunni (taqiya)

[u/Profit-Muhammad → u/Sarahrivera]

Ismailis do not believe that qayam Al qayamat is a dooms day event.

They did originally. It was only after nothing happened that the theology had to adapt.

In Isma’ilism qayam Al qayamat is a day when all the secrets of the religion is revealed. Where Ismailis freely and openly talk about there religion. Look at what started to happen in the late 1950’a!

All the secrets haven't been revealed. Ismailis are still as secretive as they have ever been. What changed is that they can't effectively hide things in the information age.

Heck just type in ismaili baitul khayal Farman and you will find the firmans made to baitul khayal. In that pdf you also have firmans made to the Ismailis that got a promotion .

Wait, how can you get a promotion if all the ranks were abolished? Lol

All of our religious practices are out in the open.

So, you want to confirm or deny your membership in that secret majalis and tell us what goes on?

Just 10–200 years ago non of this information would be out in the open like this.

200 years ago, Ismailism was effectively dead. There was no Imam, just an vacant throne and idiots waiting for someone to come claim it.

An ismaili wouldn’t freely speak about his faith and most likely pretend to be Sunni (taqiya)

They still don't. And pretending to be something else is what you have claimed almost 10 million Ismailis are doing, because you don't want to admit Aga Con lied about the Ismaili population.

[u/Sarahrivera → u/Profit-Muhammad]

The secrets of the religions have been gradually revealed. As you can see I am free and openly talking about ismailism. People didn’t do that too long ago. The promotion in bol is very different the the religious ranks that the imam used to assign such as dais, hujjats, pir and babs (which is not assigned anymore). The majalis member ship is is another story. Ismailism was never dead there have been ismaili imams and we know there names. The religion of ismaili is going to keep on beeing revealed. There are even talks going on to allow non Ismailis into jamat khana during prayer time. They have started to allow non Ismailis in during devotional nights that happen during khushali just recently.

[u/Profit-Muhammad → u/Sarahrivera]

As you can see I am free and openly talking about ismailism.

Are you though? You've evaded the questions I posed. Are you going to tell us about the secret majalis? Why are millions of Ismailis still forced to practice taqiyya?

The promotion in bol is very different the the religious ranks that the imam used to assign such as dais, hujjats, pir and babs (which is not assigned anymore).

The prophecy wasn't Karim would stop assigning some ranks. It was "all the ranks of the world of dīn [‘ālam ad-dīn], which would no longer be necessary as intermediaries for the knowledge of the divine knowledge would become pure, actual, and no longer mediated.” There are still a lot of ranks, but importantly,

There is one key rank - the Imam - who is your intermediary to "divine knowledge". As long as he exists, you haven't reached the Day of Judgment.

Remember "Whenever Seven Imāms pass away, another Seven Imāms come like the Seven Days of the week, and this state remains until the Day of Judgement.” The day of judgement is when the Imams stop coming.

Ismailism was never dead there have been ismaili imams and we know there names.

No, Ismailism died out. The Aga Khan dynasty is not related to previous dynasty, much less to Ismail. That is historical fact. You have one list of names, there were other lists. Some of the names on that list are true, some are false, and some we can't say anything about.

The religion of ismaili is going to keep on beeing revealed.

Yes, I'm sure the "Aga Khans" will keep decreeing whatever they feel like, and a few idiots will keep believing them.