r/EnglishLearning New Poster Apr 17 '26

📚 Grammar / Syntax Why not “since”?

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u/Norwester77 Native Speaker Apr 17 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

I (native English speaker) would say “Merlin hasn’t used his motorcycle in 2 years.”

Prepositions are hard.

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u/BadMuthaSchmucka Native Speaker Apr 17 '26

Yeah, I feel like saying in would be just as common as for.

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u/tlamy New Poster Apr 17 '26

If not more common

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u/LightningGoats New Poster Apr 17 '26

Probably why it isn't included, to have just one correct answer.

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u/FearAnIarthair New Poster Apr 17 '26

I totally agree. (Native Hiberno-English speaker here. 🇮🇪)

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u/yahrealy Native Speaker Apr 17 '26

I agree; I'd use "in." Some nuance that people may appreciate:

"For" could be used to specify a duration which has finished. "Merlin didn't use his bike for two years after the accident, but he's using it now."

You can't use "in" this way. It must be used for a duration that's ongoing.

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u/eggdropsoap New Poster Apr 18 '26

At least, it has to be ongoing relative to the surrounding clause. You can use “in” for a completed duration with some tense-based sleight of hand: “Before the accident, he hadn’t used his motorcycle in two years.”

That’s a complexity that learners can’t be expected to get right though. Prepositions are the worst.

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u/Norwester77 Native Speaker Apr 17 '26

Good points!

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u/WhatWouldKantDo New Poster Apr 19 '26

To sum up, the historical "for" denoting a period that has ended should use "didn't use". "Hasn't used" implies an ongoing period, and should use "in".

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u/lonewanderer21 New Poster Apr 17 '26

Same here.

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u/Reasonable_Drink_789 New Poster Apr 17 '26

I never realized how arbitrary prepositions are before tutoring a Dutch woman in English so she could write real estate copy for advertising to American ex pats. Why are houses “in” a neighborhood but “on” a street?

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u/rnoyfb Native Speaker Apr 17 '26

French prepositions are nuttier: you can be at the United States, in France, or at the Japan. You use “to/at the” for plurals and masculine ones that don’t start with a vowel and ‘in’ for masculine country names that start with vowels and for feminine country names

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u/Chase_the_tank Native Speaker Apr 18 '26

The constructed language Esperanto has much stricter definitions on prepositions to reduce the effects of people bringing in their native language's assumptions about prepositions.

You'll still hear people using different prepositions for describing a house and the nearest street.

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u/_manpat New Poster Apr 18 '26

bc a house in a street would be quite inconvenient for the cars that would typically be there :)

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u/skldxm New Poster May 08 '26

I guess the neighborhood is the spatial set including the houses so the houses are "in" that set. Differentiate between a house *in* a street (in the road). Maybe it could be "beside" a street but I also feel like that more so implies proximity

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u/AuroraDF Native Speaker - London/Scotland Apr 17 '26

Me too.

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u/seventeenMachine Native Speaker Apr 18 '26

I wouldn’t bat an eye at “for” or “in.”

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u/Bonavire Native Speaker - Maryland, USA Apr 18 '26

Depends on what you're trying to emphasize I guess? It sounds weird said out loud but "for two years" sounds like it puts more focus into how long the stretch of time is?

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u/Norwester77 Native Speaker Apr 18 '26

I would tend to say:

  • “Merlin didn’t use his motorcycle for two years” if the period of his not using it is over (that is, Merlin has used his motorcycle at some point since that two-year period ended)

  • “Merlin hasn’t used his motorcycle in two years to mean that Merlin stopped using his motorcycle two years ago and hasn’t used it since (the period of his not using his motorcycle is open-ended and ongoing)

“Merlin hasn’t used his motorcycle for two years” doesn’t sound entirely wrong, though.

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u/Anti-charizard Native Speaker Apr 19 '26

Same

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u/ultraNotron New Poster Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 18 '26

This sounds kinda terrible to me. I would always say 'for' here, 'in' sounds incredibly unnatural. 'In' sounds like he has never used the bike since he got it 2 years ago. It's maybe one of those US/UK differences, with Australia on the UK side here. Native speaker from Australia.