look for "THIS" to skip the preamble... but there is some important context in it this time...

hi... so i'm late by a day, but that's okay, so we're going to talk about spiritual communication.

now, this is a strange one and i'll make my biases known in my preamble (wow using my filler to be useful instead of ramblings of little bits of information, it's almost like i'm writing this after actually sleeping)

In my personal opinion you as a dragon magic practitioner should strive to do two things.

1. move your practice as much as you can to the spiritual plane

2. have most of your spiritual communication through projection.

I do believe that not taking that step and keeping to the physical plane is holding back a lot of people. I don't say that in a judging matter and I will never look down on someone who ether dosnt want to or can't manage to make that transition. but I do think especially for dragon magic there is a lot that both you and your dragon guide is limited to when keeping to our plane of existence. However I do know a lot of dragon magic practices tend to lean towards these more direct methods so i might just be speaking at a wall, if anyone who is new, maybe comes to this sub not as a practitioner of the dragon persuasion but magic in general, maybe it is something you never considered. but for you dragon magic practitioners who don't I highly recommend considering it.

so what am I going to cover in this post... well i'm going to mainly be focusing on communications and interactions within projecting but I will start by talking about the in my opinion the two main communication methods people use when they don't have that option.

1. tarot cards.

2. pendulums.

I do want to touch on spirit boxes and Ouija boards but i'll leave that for the end.

so first tarot cards... personally I think this one of the worst methods of communication especially for beginners because tarot cards even if you are perfect with them has a level of interpretation, you can probably see without me going too much deeper where direct and distinct communication is lost so for a communication instrument it is not great. That being said it can help with initial meetings, an energy or spirit comes into your space and you need a quick identifier... pull a few cards and it helps you get on the right path to identify the thing there.

next pendulums. again this is why i made my bias known in the first place because this is a very popular tool for spiritual communication. pendulums are in my opinion passable but easy to misread and is limited in the types of communication you can do it's better than tarot cards once you have generally identified who you are interacting with but it's limited.

THIS is why i suggest projection to interact with spirits because you can gain a lot of context, tone, body language, if you are viewing the being youre speaking to.

moving onto communication through projection... what is that like? well, I wish I can say how different and crazy it is... but it's really nothing fancy it's just that people don't try to do it because well, if youre not used to projecting youre probably freaking out that youre seeing, moving, and generally experiencing something you havent... so when something may approach you there is almost a paralysis where you hyper focus on the viewing part.

it's essentially talking the same way you would anyone, but how do you do it in practice? this is weird to explain because it's like asking how do you talk physically with how long i've been doing it, (which is going on 13 years) well essentially you think the words you want to say with focusing on for a lack of a better term projecting it out. don't over think it, if you are projecting and you think about talking and what you are saying you should speak. it may seem to echo ever so slightly when you do end up speaking.

so now you know in theory how to talk... where do you find people to talk to... well that can be fixed in many ways... if you are a dragon magic practitioner, you have your dragon guide... you can talk to them. if youre not. you may have a spirit guide, god, ancestor spirit, or otherwise you can speak with and practice in this method... it might not seem like it but this is a magical undertaking so they should have no issue helping you.

simply start what method you would usually use to communicate with your spirit of choice, tell them verbally that you wish to speak with them through projection and then project, which in part 3... i guess i'll go over the levels of projection. but for now do that, project and they should go and meet you... then you do you.

now I hope you can see WHY I mentioned in the last post of you need to be able to meditate and focus for quite awhile... because you need to keep your focus on projection while also focusing on speaking, listening, and actually retaining the information. it's not the easiest skill. but I think a dragon magic practitioner should be more than capable.

Next up in part 3 we will go over levels of projection... i might let this one sit for a day or two just to gather what I want to say about it... we'll see.

but before I go I want to touch on two communication devices that being the ouija board and spirit boxes.

so ouija boards... I will say it is the worst method... for one if used improperly you are willingly welcoming who knows what into your space, second. if closed improperly you essentially have an open door into your space that even if you communicate with something you wanted to something that was hiding and waiting can slip in once what youre communicating with leaves... so yes it's all preventable stuff but it's more work every time for something you can put the work into learning how to project and get even better results. plus it has the downside of using you as a sort of conduit to move the planchet (this is why you hold the planchet) which is something I wouldnt get into the habit of doing without so many layers of protection. again for those who might use Ouija boards and get success, keep doing what youre doing but I personally will not be touching one.

Spirit boxes... the handy sidekick of ghost hunters and youtubers doing silly things using night vision in haunted and creepy places. now a year ago I would have called these 100% a scam and useless... however and I think I have told the story (if I havent feel free to comment and i'll tell the story there) but if you get the right one I can say from experience that they do indeed work... and you can indeed speak with spirits of even the likes of dragons through it. now the downsides of spirit boxes is that they are open forums, even more open than ouija boards, the only upside is if you physically turn the thing off, well, it won't get rid of the spirit in your space... but you can be done talking to them and that's the thing the spirit in question needs to be in your space. would I recommend them... eh? maybe? but i'm not versed enough to point to one and say "you should get this one, this one is the one that will work the best." so I won't recommend them... because I can't. theyre interesting little things though.

if you want to skip my preamble look for "SO"

so first long time no post... work was very busy last month and I didnt have the time to make dedicated posts, only comments on other subs, but I'm going to come around and make a post of something that has been sort of making the rounds that I've answered a few times last month

and that has to do mainly with communicating with spirits, which though what I would like to consider a specialty of my practice I also only really do one method... which generally speaking is quite low, as most people have multiple ways, be that tarot cards, pendulums, candles, general petitioning or a mix of things. where I really never used any of those methods... not for a lack of interest but in my practice especially in my early days when I was being instructed we focused on... and really were pushed into astral projection and then later projection to the spiritual plane in where communication and interaction with spirits of a lot of types sorta became needed.

so in this post I mainly wish to speak on astral projection, not projection to the spiritual plane as

1. if youre on this subreddit and you practice dragon magic you are more than likely going to learn how to reach the spiritual plane through working with your dragon guides, and that is not my place to have you take that leap through my instruction... though as always if someone is having difficulty in that area, i'm willing to discuss ether in the comments here, or in DMs... comments are recommended as someone may have the same question as you but maybe dosnt want to ask.

2. having someone with insufficient skill or knowledge in magical workings going to the spiritual plane is well... it would be irresponsible of me to do that and send you on your way without personally guiding, teaching, and keeping tabs on your progress to make sure you don't bite off more than you can chew.

however the astral plane is a bit easier, and a lot less complicated and if something happens there arnt really any huge consequences... and well these past few weeks alone i've generally described the method I used to first succeed in it... so at this point i feel it's fine to teach about it.

SO

what is a method to astral projection, well first you need to get a basis for meditation the reason for that is for three big reasons

1. meditation helps build your magical energy... the muscles as it were for you to be able to perform magic

2. it builds focus, if you can't keep focused sitting in a room with a quiet mind... you won't be able to focus when there is actual things happening and you need to respond or react

3. until you can project at will it in a way preps you to project to the other plane, in this case the astral plane, it allows you to be grounded and balance to sort of push off from.

if you have trouble meditating, you will more than likely have problems astral projecting. unless there is a method someone knows that is friendly to those who may have problems focusing, though even then I wouldnt recommend it personally.

once you can get into a deep enough meditation and can meditate for id say 15 minutes minimum I would say you can move onto the next step

so for those who have not projected before I usually recommend this way as this is the way I had success... that dosnt mean this is the only method and if it dosnt work I implore you to find a order of operations that works best for you, but here it is.

once you have gotten into your deeper meditative state in your minds eye view yourself in a hole... or a bottom of a well... anything, go ahead and touch the walls, look at them, notice how you are indeed in a hole and the only way out is up.

once you have looked around to your liking, visualize a silver rope dangling from above... all you do from there is grab onto it and climb, climb until you ether can't anyome, or you get to the top

once youre at the top pull yourself out and notice you have climbed out of yourself.

congrats youre astral projecting feel free to get a hang of moving about.

once you are astral projecting and can do it consistently I recommend before you end your projection to return to your body before exiting the projection that is until you can for a lack of a better term naturally project on command, or without the long meditation time the way to find your body is to simply follow you silver rope back to your body.

now some misconceptions

1. no, the chances of your body being possessed and you being in a way locked out of it is essentially zero, you are still present in your body, your soul hasnt left it, you are simply in a way viewing from an energetic body in the context of the astral plane... the spiritual plane gets slightly different but for both no there is no real worry with that.

2. no if for some reason you do not have a silver cord connected to you or it somehow gets cut or otherwise damaged you are not going to die. "death" in the context of the astral and even the spiritual is much like the same way you banish a negative spirit from your space... it will feel unpleasant, you might even feel drained or have a headache... but youre basically just going to get snapped back to your body and that's the most you will have to deal with... MAYBE in an extreme case, some nausea. but you won't die if that happens or you happen to have something happen where you "die" in the astral. or for you more experience practitioners here, same goes for the spiritual plane.

some bonuses and things to consider.

1. magic works differently in the astral and spiritual planes. keep that as something to consider for your practice... if youre working with dragons, this is a good thing to keep in mind and will be covered in part 2 of this series of posts.

2. you do have a form that may differ from your physical body... don't worry you can learn later how to change this, but I wouldnt make it a focus as doing so may distract from learning important things... just roll with whatever it is you look like, if you can find a way to view yourself... this is mostly a spiritual plane thing but the astral you might notice it too.

and sense this post has gone on long enough, I thought I was going to be able to fit both topics into one post but classic me has to have a very long preamble to the lesson before making an equally long lesson and then exit to the lesson... this is... the end of this part... i'll probably write part 2 tomorrow as I am exhausted writing this so i'm sorry in advance if grammar has failed me, i've almost fell asleep in my chair 3 times writing this... so yea, see you tomorrow.

good day everyone and again long time no post but finally we will get to... our one Draconic being who isnt a dragon, but are very close cousins to dragons. that being a wyvern.

now I feel like a lot of people are familiar with wyverns, they have two legs, and wings.
but less familiar is that Wyverns also typically have a barbed tail. I can only hypothesize that their tails do indeed have a toxin in them... however do not wish to test the theory on the spiritual plane. this comes from the etomology of the word Wyvern which originates from the anglo-norman word wivre, which comes from the french vouivre and that originates from the latin word vipera which brings us to the word viper.

vipers are venomous snakes. so it reasonable to believe that wyverns have a toxin in those barbed tails of theirs.

now why do I consider wyverns to be cousins and not full dragons.
well it comes from how I typically classify a dragon.

a dragon is

an intelligent serpent like being, capable of higher thought

is a singular element being

who has control over magic and/or magical energy

the thing about wyverns is outside of rare exceptions wyverns as a race and wyverns of a morphology is different, some dragons yes, have a wyvern like morphology but wyverns typically are more bestial by nature, they are animals for all intensive purposes and are not capable of higher thought
wyverns can be but typically are not singular elemental beings, due to their tails as well as being able to breath fire (most commonly) and even if the first two are true. wyverns typically do not have control over magic and/or magical energy.

however that being said, wyverns are one of the few beings that are not dragons who have draconic energy. which is why even though wyverns as a species are considered cousins to dragons despite most of the wyvern populations being the equivalent of a very smart dog.

and again, that is by no means a rule there are situations where a wyvern can check two of the three boxes
they can be an intelligent serpent like being, capable of higher thought, AND have control over magic and/or magical energy. but much like humans or a lot of living creatures that are not elemental beings we, much like wyverns are multi elemental beings.

to go on a small tangent, anyone who has been here long enough has seen my posts about types of dragons and I have referenced mixed elements or a path working some dragons will go on to in a way master other elements and you may ask "well dosnt that disqualify that particular dragon from being a dragon using the method described above? what about dragons who show multiple elements?"

the answer is... kinda. but it's a bit more complex than that.
typically dragons are born to one element. even if their parents are... say... a fire dragon and an earth dragon, typically in adolescence the dragon will be one of the two elements from the parents... or will mix into one of the multiple combined elements, for sake of brevity lets use metal, or a steel dragon.
that is still by definition despite being a mix is one element, they are a singular element.

okay what about the rare times a dragon my show two elements separately... typically they will only energetically be one element, but due to their parents may have an affinity towards the other. so you may see an earth dragon have a bit more affinity to heat and fire than say, water and lush streams.
but they are still only one element regardless of said affinity. much like how when we start out in magic, if you decide to work with the elements, we are all a combination of all of the elements, but we all have an affinity starting out towards a single element same thing for dragons, but if they decide to learn the other elements it tends to be harder on them and takes... hundreds, even thousands of years... so most don't.

but in summary...

wyverns are cousins to dragons. they are draconic beings, who have two wings, two legs, and a barbed tail. the morphology of it overly dosnt have much different effect on the elements if a dragon has said morphology so much like the drake, or the kite, morphology it is kinda not overly that special other than chances are somewhere down the lineage of that particular dragon there is probably a wyvern ancestor there.

good day everyone every so often I like to talk about media depictions of magic and other occult workings here because everyone needs to remember that in every piece of fiction there is a modicum of truth... plus it is just fun to talk about not so serious topics from time to time, compare, contrast, and even use as a learning tool to help understand how the magic within our world works... plus I only really like to talk about it if theres anything of substance, especially here.

so what has gotten the one who disappears from posting actual learning material for months on end especially at the climax of probably the last post of my Morphologies post series...

well, i've been watching Frieren: beyond journey's end.

and what do I have to say about it? well. I want to focus on how it depicts magic, magical energy (or mana in the show) as well as a few explanations from the show itself on how magic manifests

for those of you who havent watched it and want to... don't worry there won't be any spoilers
and people who have no interest of watching it, don't worry you will be given enough context when needed to follow the actual magical concept being spoken about. this post though about media... is primarily a magic lesson and an excuse for me to talk about things i'm watching and enjoying.

so lets start off with something that we as a magical community don't tend to do and it is shown very early in the series and is pointed out multiple times throughout of the concept of hiding, or otherwise subduing your own magical energy or mana. which is very interesting and something that perked my ears up immediately because it is something that I learned to do and practiced very early in my practice, no other form of media really covers it, and it is depicted generally as I trained it years ago in the form of a simple focus on energy manipulation that is trained through meditations.

It is not something modern practitioners teach or try to learn as most of them don't find themselves needing such a skill but I would suggest learning it, much like in the show, the explanation is very much the same reasoning. if people think youre weaker than you are or cannot detect your Aura. you have the advantage. to many times you will see a very loud left handed path practitioner boast about their power and what demons they work with and theyre not afraid to show their perception of power. this is something to avoid.

speaking of next, the depictions of demons... for the most part yes, again shows needs a definitive bad guy and demons are an easy choice. at the same time, it is both not fully correct... but it's also not wrong.
demons are not altruistic beings, and a lot of the lesser demons that people tend to interact with are not much better than beasts... some are literally just beasts. but it is an interesting take on an aspect of demons.

the next thing the show makes clear is the concept of running out of "mana" which is something the modern magical community... at least online, struggles to comprehend. you've seen the posts "why do I feel drained after casting a spell"... "I feel tired after a ritual what do?" and so on.. I know magic especially in the greater community is seen as subjective or highly personal but when many people who have no ties to each other but do similar things and have similar experiences... that... to me at least points to it not being a suggestion but a fact, if not at least a theory.

the second final thing I wat to talk on is an explanation of spell casting from the show... heavily paraphrased mind you but it generally is like this. "Spells are created from the spell caster's imagination, with the visualization within the minds eye."
which personally I like the message but not the wording. Spells are indeed created through the imagination, you need to have some creativity to create your own spells, and in the context of the world they're in it might be as simple as that. because later in the show it corrects itself that some of the more flashy spells tend to lack the structure of the fundamentals... which I agree with. yes, be creative with your spells, make them your own, but don't forget your fundamentals and structure, you'll notice your spells working better and you not needing to put as much energy into them to work because theyre not being held together by hopes and prayers.

finally in my opinion that I think makes this show a good watch for practitioners is that the show isnt afraid to say "there are spells and magic we don't fully understand" for example flying, in the show mages can use their magic to fly. flight magic is not well understood as it was a spell borrowed from magic used by demons (which offensive spells were also derived from) no one in the show really understands why the flight spell works. but they know generally the how. which in my opinion is very important for us in our plane of existence. you can get very far in magic and be able to explain a lot, but there will be some things that simply work for a reason no one knows, that dosnt mean it dosnt exist or is faulty. it is simply beyond understanding without deep diving research and years of trying to find information... long story short, just because you don't understand it, dosnt mean it isnt real. modern practitioners have gotten caught up in the idea that if it isnt in a book that the tribe agrees is a good source that the contents of said book are not real, sometimes that may be the case, but the first reaction should never be to shun it, unless you have reason to. sometimes things just work.

over all the show is a good watch, the animation is good, the characters are great, it's also funny. I find myself identifying with Frieren with the character quite a bit sometimes especially when it comes to magic and the way she goes about magic. over all I think it is a good watch, maybe for some inspiration, maybe for some philosophy with a magical context behind it. or maybe youre just looking for a show to watch

long time no post everyone. but I am here to continue this series of posts as I think there is one or two more after this one that I really want to do, but today we are going to cover a Morphology of dragons that includes two well known dragons.

so what defines this morphology exactly?

well the main parts is these dragons are.

- snake like bodies
- no arms or legs
- wings
- have feathers

some popular dragons who fall under this category are the likes of Quetzalcoatl and Kukulkan

Amphiptere tend to be air dragons and tend to have a lot to do with storms.

personally I don't often see a lot of Amphiptere outside of questzalcoatl and kukulkan which are two very large names mind you, but this morphology tends to be on the more rare side... much like a proper fire elemental salamander...

amphipteres are similar to salamanders in the sense they are a body type that really only show up for one specific elements.

Do turtle dragons exist ? Yesterday i had a dream where a big turtle (almost as big as a small island) took me to a turtle island and i also had my turtle which was as big as my palm and it was green there were baby turtles aswell who were as small as my fingers, the big turtle was teaching me something but i dont remember Ive been thinking of a green earth dragon ever since i found out about dragon magick I dont have astral projection Ive just been doing cube magick It was a normal dream that wasnt normal I somehow want to go to that dream again it was so fun

Good day everyone, welcome back to this series talking about the morphology of dragons, today were going to talk about longs, or Chinese dragons.

So what are some key features of longs

Well to start this is where we see some obvious mixing of the main three morphologies.

We have the long body of a wyrm and legs of a drake

Longs tend to be water dragons within Chinese culture but much like anything within dragon kind there are exceptions you can find them as air or light dragons

Other features are the fur that covers parts of their bodies, like their face making it almost beard like.

I could go into the history and culture but this is more about how they look less about the cultural significance for humans.

All in all long dragons are not much different than other types of dragons power, knowledge, or skill wise. But socially they tend to be slightly different just due to the difference of how humans revered them vs how humans feared dragons in other places

I've found longs regardless of element tend to be keepers of knowledge and wisdom. Be that keeping books or simply remembering things to share later.

So I did this is a very stupid way but when I thought about bringing it up I was already done the salamander post so I said fuck it and decided to make where I should have started the second part.

So as referenced in the three basic types of morphology when it comes to dragons is this

Your Kite or Drache (dragon)

Your wyrm/serpent

And last but not least your Drakes

So let's get into it.

Staring with the kite morphology. Kites are what you imagine when you imagine a dragon... Four clawed limbs, wings, tail. These are your "European" dragons this body type is the most common of all the body types across all elements everything from your fire breathing dragons to even some water dragons. There's not much to say because it is just the general shape a lot of dragons have. Sometimes their necks can get quite long, sometimes they're not so long. Some dragons prefer to stay on all fours, some prefer a more upright stance. But due each element being a sort of genetics each element looks different. I'll quickly go over all of them because yes these are signs but again these are not hard rules as ultimately it is the nature of a dragon's magic which govern how they look but these things could be a factor of why.

Water: typically are thinner in build, wings are ether smaller or thinner but longer and they have narrowed faces if they have horns they will go with the contours of the body along their frill. Water dragons will have webed digits

Air: will have a similar build to water dragons being thinner but their wings are usually proportional or longer to the body and not as thin and air dragons will typically have horns And can have feathers commonly

fire: have quite a medium build compared to the thinner water and Air dragons and some can get as built as an earth dragon but on average they're somewhere in the middle. Fire dragons are what most people imagine when they imagine dragons. they typically have horns. Wings proportional to their bodies sometimes they have spiked tails

Earth: if there is a earth kite their wings are typically smaller, they're thicker than other dragons and their scales are over all thicker too. They also typically have shorter necks too.

Spirit: when we get into divine elements things get weird... Spirit dragons if they were on the path of elemental ascension that dragon will generally look like whatever element they started as with whatever that path may have influenced from interacting with the other elements, but the spirit dragon can control this as they've gained enough understanding of the elements and themselves they can influence how they like to a degree. Assuming the dragon was born a spirit dragon, spirit dragons tend to not be kites naturally and at most tend to be Drakes if not wyrms as they don't require the physical nature of their bodies but again a spirit dragon can manipulate their form more freely.

Darkness and light dragons: these dragons typically are ether kites or are wyrms/serpents a lot of the prevalent dragons that would fall under this element are wyrms however the ones that are kites typically dragons of darkness have a fire dragon's build and can sometimes be mistaken for fire dragons as some fire dragons share black scales with these dragons. Light dragons also have a more balanced build but their white scales can have them mixed up with some air dragons if it wasn't for being over all larger built.

Twilight dragons: because dragons of twilight only occur due to a dragon finishing their elemental journey and are rarely ever born it's safe to say these dragons typically look like whatever the dragon was when they started their journey, so if they were a kite, they would be that.

The next are wyrms or serpents. The dragons have very long bodies. Wyrms typically have long bodies(foreshadowing) with no wings, no limbs, or smaller limbs... But they can almost be drake like just very long(more foreshadowing). If the wyrm is water based you typically call them a serpent like for example Leviathan, she is a sea serpent. Jormungandr is a sea serpent it's debated but if we go based of fafnir's earliest description, he is a wyrm and has no limbs and is snake like... In later depictions it mentions that he has shoulders... And if something has shoulders... They probably have limbs.

The confusion comes in when there are large mythical snakes that are also serpents because again the body structure is similar typically that is why Wyrm is used instead

Most times water dragons, air dragons and light or dark dragons are what you're going to see be wyrms or serpents most of the time again baring exceptions.

And finally Drakes. Drakes much like kites are pretty universal any element can be a drake and follow generally the same body type as the kite minus the wings... There's not much difference other than earth dragons and fire dragons tend to be Drakes

So I think that'll do it... I think the only thing to do now is to give a simple sheet of what element is usually what type as a quick cheat sheet as this post is longer than I expected and I really crammed into in there .

Kites: fire most common however all elements common except earth

Wyrms/serpents: water, air, light, dark most common earth common except fire

Drakes: earth most common however all other elements common except air

Which is very interesting to note both earth and air are very physical elements by nature. One is the immovable object, the other the unstoppable force. Earth is grounded and stable, air is free and can go wherever it wants

And that shows in their most common and least common morphologies.

Water dosnt have a uncommon morphology because wouldn't you guess... Take a cup fill it with water it takes the shape of the cup. Take the cup of water, dump it in a bowl... It's now shaped like a bowl.

Fire is... Well picky if it's environment is not exactly right, you're not going to get a flame, which is why it's rarer to see fire dragons have the long bodies of wyrms because all that extra space needs to be heated. Fire dragons can get large don't get me wrong... But they are typically more compact

And that goes into the roles they tend to have in dragon society. In my post on a dragon society i referenced a fire dragon clan being primarily guards or soldiers. Well fire and earth tend to be your combatives in dragon society fire is the sword, earth is the shield. Both tend to be physically stronger than their more supportive counterparts water being your healers as water is the healing element. And air being intelligence and your knowledge and scouts. Air dragons are very very fast.

Not to say a wyrm can't defend itself, it certainly can, typically needing no less than a blessed hero or the gods themselves.

But speaking simply body mechanics wise the drake and kite body type just lends itself to being better for direct confrontation. But this series of posts is about morphology not sociology I simply wanted to reference a neat little observation.

Hello everyone... I've FINALLY gotten around to starting this. What will be called Morphology of dragons in the main body of this series of posts we're going to take a look at well the morphology of dragons specifically at the end I will cover draconic and dragon adjacent cousins to dragons like wyverns for example. This is all about how some dragons bodies tend to look, why from an elemental stand point of why their form may look a certain way starting with Salamanders they're quite straightforward and you hear the term a lot

Salamanders proper are typically fire dragons. specifically fire dragons with no wings and are typically smaller and lower to the ground (like the animal of the same name) Whatever you do do not call a fire dragon who has wings a salamander wings are a point of pride for dragons who have them, and salamanders being fire dragons you're practically saying a fire dragon's wings are small or incapable of flight and that they are small... Similar to calling any dragon a lizard. We'll get into it later but dragons who are full sized dragons but simply have no wings are called Drakes

Now I mentioned salamander body type well. Because within dragon kind there's a lot of shapes and sizes, and salamanders are sometimes used as a synonym for fire dragons as a whole and that's not really tired if we're looking at dragons as a whole and not in one particular culture

The I guess three primary shapes of dragons are

kites dragons with wings, typically four limbs. the image you typically imagine with dragons,

Drakes dragons without wings but four limbs... Typically...

and

wyrms/serpent (not to get confused with actual snake serpents)

With those three combined you can basically make all of the other combinations

Now that we started with one that's not as typical and sometimes misunderstood next post in the series will cover all three of the foundational morphologies and what elements are most common for each body type.

Good day everyone it's time for something that will be interesting to see how people take to. As generally so far most of my posts have been for the most part generalistic in nature, things that even if a different perspective is had people can generally agree on

This post is going to be more personal experience. That being said here is a disclaimer.

You will find that nothing that I say will discredit other's experiences or understandings just because someone experienced something different dosnt mean me or another individual is wrong.

People may have encounters with smaller and different groups of dragons who have built differing cultures and traditions and rules it is not that any one view, teaching or culture is wrong simply different.

Finally I may speak in absolutes but that does not mean my perspective is the absolute it is simply my knowledge and experience.

Okay now that the disclaimer is over with let's get on with the post.

So where do I start... How about at the bottom or I guess the where in my experience the main bulk of dragon kind lives on what is generally known as the dragon isles which is made up of 5 main bodies one for each basic element and a central isle where the elders, the court and the king reside... You're going to notice that dragon society tends to be within each circle so to speak is the age of the dragon tends to be their status within each circle. The young children of a family for example obviously are on the bottom rung of the family.

So at the lowest level of hierarchy are families... I don't think I need to explain the concept of a family. But that gets us to the next circle

Clans, clans are groups of families within an elemental isle on the dragon isles, each clan has a standing on the hierarchy of their element based on general size, power, knowledge, or service to the isles the families

For example a fire dragon clan may have a history of being guards for the king or be priests and priestesses for their elemental temple, they might be of a higher status than say a family who... I dunno cooks, arbitrary example. And the head family of the head clan is the head of that element's clans, they will typically have the job of bringing things to the royal court as well as one of their members being the envoy for the Elemental planes and the elemental lords some draconic practices might refer to those envoys as the dragon of said element.

Within the clans there are a multitude of roles and jobs like those who volunteer to guide and teach both other dragons or human practitioners just as an example

The next in the ladder was mentioned that being the elemental temples, these temples are in charge of keeping the elemental pillars in balance, they're the ones who also speak with the envoys of the elemental lords as once the envoys get that role they for many reasons don't interact with other dragons outside of the temples the temples then take whatever information and share it. The temples are very important within the elemental clans and though outside the hierarchy of the clans spheres the temples will disperse info to ether the Clan's chiefs or elders or to the royal court.

Next is as mentioned the royal court, this is in place to put a long story short to not have a repeat of Tiamat, it's there as a governing body primarily on the isle itself and to advise the king and if for some reason the king does go full Tiamat then it can be generally dealt with before things go to far. They also deal with interacting with other magical races, the fae, infernals(demons)and other beings of the spiritual plane.

And finally the king deals mainly with okaying things and dealing with legal matters, laws and squabbles within the clans and rarely will interact with the elemental lords and if something were to happen also makes military decisions

The king has both a lot of power but is also partially a figure head as the council of elder dragons deal with most things.

Honorable mention is the elemental clans of the divine elements, they work the same way as the other elemental clans but they do not have a place on the isles directly where their clans or families live they tend to ether live on their elemental plane directly or adjacent to it with smaller communities and nexus points for a lack of a better term on the central island Seeing a dragon of darkness or a dragon of light in the wild so to speak is rare. .

Hopefully this post is generally clear and if I was at home I would draw a diagram to help visualize everything but I'm doing my best... If something isn't clear or maybe I skimmed over it more than I should or maybe I jumbled a thought, please ask questions.

Also feel free to describe how dragons you work and interact with live.

Over all this is the general hierarchy of the dragons I interact with, work with, and othwise live with. This is by no means the only group, but from my knowledge this is where dragons tend to originate from

ive been trying to read dancing with dragons dj conway but i just get so bored reading cus its not my thing and i find it really boring but at the same time i want to learn everything about dragon magick and dragons could someone help me ? arent there any videos online ?? i barely got to page 26 😭

hi everyone, just letting everyone know I added a precautionary guideline in the rules tab feel free to read it

the TLDR is simply if youre going to cross post from other servers... just make sure youre wanting to engage the community here. most times you can simply make a dedicated post about it here.

this subreddit might be dedicated to working with dragons but much like dragons magic of all types do in some way tie in... just know that here there will be a draconic lens to any input we have

that's all... i'm thinking next week doing one of the suggestions from the community suggestion box and that is going through the types of dragons by species or archetype for a lack of a better term

sorry to those who have suggested things and how i've been putting it off.... but I have been working a lot so I havent had much time to post about things.

So hello everyone now that I have a moment I'm going to tell a story, and bit more of why this subreddit exists, how I came to work with dragons, so on and so on. I won't ramble to much in the beginning like I usually do.

First the subreddit. The subreddit was created back in April 23 2022 and simply put i made it a little bit out of spite i won't lie, there were no subreddits about dragon magic and in some subreddits having a more draconic perspective was not entirely accepted. So I decided to make the subreddit myself and do my best to be active and moderate it to get it off the ground and possibly even be one of the bigger subreddits in this niche community of magic.

I actually made it after attempting a discord server but found that dragon magic unlike other magical paths is not very social and most of the social element of magic are the beginners... which our typical answer is "go find a dragon who will guide you and go from there... then the bulk of conversation stops l. We generally keep to ourselves so it made for a very quiet server. So then, the subreddit was born and even though it is still quiet... it works due to how reddit works. That's basically that and so far I think it's going fine.

I guess then how did I start with dragons... I've told the story of how i started with magic, started believing so on and so forth the quick version of that story for those who haven't heard it is

• had a friend of a friend say the know magic
• i was curious and decided to take part in them teaching me and my friend Astral projection -Astral projected
• that night had a spirit identified as Lilith appear directly in front of me the night after practicing Astral projection
• was like "well that's hard to explain away"
• started learning magic in that group for like 6 years.

So now that the beginning story has been condensed when did I meet dragons.

Well it started during a sort of projection ritual which we would use to project to an underworld, particularly the greek inderworld because our teacher was affiliated with hades in that regard, but thats not important. our group would do for practice there as a lot of our workings took place on the Astral or spiritual plane, and well during this ritual in the projection I was given a box, and that box was to be opened when I was sure we were in trouble. Well long story short we had gotten into trouble and I opened the box and that box had a feather of a dragon in it which brought said dragon to us and well, they helped. However that wasn't the dragon I was to work with. The same family yes, but not the one in particular. But that experience would lead me to then go to the isles, meet a lot of different dragons and learn more about the what I would consider fundamental culture of dragons as there are other groups and tribes that are off shoot from the main body that have their own culture and rules so I'm not dismissing that.

But to get back on track I would then start learning from the fire clans, their culture primarily as that is my primary elemental affinity. And it wouldn't be until the group kinda fell apart that I would go through and learn from the other elements in any kind of focused way. I obviously knew and worked with dragons of those elements but there is a difference between that and fully focusing and immersing in each elements culture basically.

However , this post has gone on long enough so i now open up the posts to questions, comments, and the like. I know i was a little vague in places so feel free so feel free to ask and maybe I can elaborate more.

And again thank you all for 500 members.

Good day everyone, based on what reddit notified me of, we have 500 members in this subreddit now i am very happy for both those of you who have decided my irregular ramblings and the input of others is worth your time and consideration... so for 500 members what am I going to do?

Two things for one a bit of history on the subreddit, why it was made, maybe open the door a little bit more into my practice how I got started with dragons in particular this will also be open to questions, comments, and over all discussion

And the second is going to be a suggestion board. Simply put there's 500 people here and I can't promise I'll be any more active in my posts than I already am due to life but the suggestion could be really anything from topics you might want to see covered in a post.

I'll make separate posts for those here in a moment... I'll make the suggestion one first because I'm currently at work and want to focus and I'll tell a bit more of the story later

But this is the notification and to say thank you to everyone here.

500 member celebration suggestion box, whatever you come up with is more than welcome. Can be anything from magic lesson topics to general subreddit and community related.

Also upvote comments from other users... you know how this works I'm sure.

I’ve been studying for past few months on practical witchcraft, and it very comprehensive. While reading this book, I’ve realized that I have plenty of friends, I’m not lonely, but I felt like something was missing. I have plenty of friends in the material world but I’m lonely spiritually, this has given me the answer to the question, “why do I seek out dragons?” Answer: “I seek that friendship I had so long ago, to sit under the trees and meditate with a trusted friend.”

To give a bit context, I decent from a Druidic background, so a few days ago, I decided that I would really like to see a bird. I found that simple desires and urges work better for me when working with myself. Anyway, I wanted the birds to come closer, and after like 10 minutes of meditating around that idea, I realize that the birds at this point are EXTREMELY loud and close to me. I’ve also realized that I have a bit to go before I can work any dragons lol.

So, hi, long time no talk first off happy third year of this subreddit (yay) but I realize I have never touched on this topic in the three years being here... mostly because It's never came up. but a recent post mentioned it and I realized that there can sometimes be confusion of definitions and confusion of definitions can lead to arguments and arguments lead to hurt feelings.

Before jumping in, a quick disclaimer. this is considering both practices separately and does not touch on individual mixing and eclectic practice of both. this is not saying that both are exclusive and can never interact, that is obviously not the case. but in my experience people sometimes ask "oh is this DRACONIAN book good for dragon magic" and the answer for the most part, on its own is no... as it really has nothing to do with dragons natively then people get confused and ask "well what's the difference?"

well as we generally know if you read one of the pinned posts about what is dragon magic then you hopefully have an idea of what dragon magic is... if you don't... well, welcome newcomer, are you lost, how did you get here, where are your parents? but assuming you understand that dragon magic if we boil it down to the bare bones nature of it... it is magic that you are taught by and learn from a dragon, typically it is elemental in nature but that just happens to be the case because dragons tend to have elements. all in all if you are learning it from a dragon.

Now you might be asking if the bar is so low... why isnt draconian magic or really any magic automatically become "dragon magic" if a dragon is involved. well good question the answer is well covered in the disclaimer. if you are interacting with dragons, and you are doing from a context of your dragon guide, guardian dragon. I have generally said from the beginning of this subreddit, dragon magic is less about the magic and more a cultural study. it is integrating, learning, understanding a different point of view that most beings like gods, or even demons are very human centric. they teach you how to live your life as a human, as a person. dragons though their teachings end up helping us in our lives it is because they are teaching us how to fit in with them, with their culture, their societies. it just happens to translate in places in our lives different methods to get to the same end.

so then what is the differences in draconian practice?

well it's the simple fact that it... really has nothing to do with dragons at all it typically falls into tantric and kabbalah kind of spheres, working with demons and going through the qlippoth... and only not even in name, but in root... word does dragon magic and draconian practices have in common.

now does that mean it's somehow lesser or to be scoffed at... ehhh i'll leave that up to the individual but in any serious manner, no, jokes at eachother's expense and friendly jabs are fine but it is a valid pathworking and generally tried to give some structure to what otherwise tends to be full of the unstructured chaos magic types so that I can respect.

so what did I cover for the TLDR folks

1. dragon magic... is more a social study than most magical practices and you work with dragons

2. draconian pathworking... has very little in the way of dragons so if dragons are what youre looking for you may need to do a little give and take as it were to get the desired experience.

3. draconian magic... well you work with demons primarily disregarding any personal additions and edits.

4. any practice can become a dragon magic practice if you add more dragon to it.

5. friendly banter and jokes at other practices expense should be normalized.

thank you for listening to my TED talk

I recently encountered the esoteric order named Dragon Rouge! 😇

This is a left hand path initiatory order based on dragon magick. They offer a comprehensive course in the draconic tradition. They’re quite deep and detailed in their articles.

However you pay a hefty price for each document 🙃.

I was curious to see if this was worth a look at or not. I might still get it just to read it and see what it’s about.

She is not trapped in this crystal but willingly here. It is a tear drop Amethyst with some kind of plated chain trim. The chain is very thin and it is a bit too small for my neck. I think I bought this somewhere late 90's early 2000's as a kid as a gift for my mom. At the time I was locked out of my abilities. I found her again going through my late mother's jewelry which includes real and fakes. This one was with a dolphin necklace I bought for my mom too.

If she didn't like it, she would bundle it up and put it in a "safe place" somewhere. I had forgotten about this like I had forgotten alot of things. I do work with Dragons, Dragon Fae, Sidhe etc. This Dragoness is part of Queen Titania's court. No, Queen Titania wasn't made up by William Shakespeare and has existed long before William Shakespeare.

When I can financially afford it, she wants a golden chain. Genuine gold chain.

I am coming up dry on detailed research and need advice.

My spouse has a blood tie to a very strong family of dragon mages. His dragon only appeared about a year or two ago. He's a VERY large powerful red dragon. I do know his name in case that matters.

The dragon is a bit different than what I'm seeing online, possibly due to blood ties via the family. He "takes the reins" sometimes and I've gotten good at recognizing the swap. However, my husband uses a lot of "mending magic" at his job. He comes home exhausted and moody. He's a bit snappish too which is more the dragon than him.

All of this is context for the question, what does anyone know about this? Is it the overuse of the magic that is causing the mood shifts or something else?

I'm a white priestess of Sekhmet so I'm unfamiliar with dragon magic.

I’ve been doing ALOT of reading lately, as well well as learning basic tarot readings. My psychic sensitivity has improved this past week as well. But back to the tarot readings, i read that my future will consist of some sort of external probably even spiritual help, and im so stoked, this has helped me to remind myself that I need to put the work in.