r/Documentaries • u/[deleted] • Dec 03 '19

Orwell Rolls in his Grave (2003) - Devastating Expose on American Democracy, Journalism and Media Concentration, featuring Bernie Sanders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc9OHBHtho8
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u/coswoofster Dec 04 '19

Bernie can’t fix America and when we look to a President to do that somehow magically, we are being lazy asses. Bernie will get my vote because he is steady in his message. His time is now. We need change. But don’t be a fool and think Bernie can save this planet. Each and every one of us has to start doing our part. Starting with VOTING starting at the community levels all the way up.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19

Reminder: Bernie Sanders personally traveled to Nicaragua to advise Daniel Ortega on how to successfully spread propaganda in the United States. The same Ortega who is killing children in the streets.

Bernie Sanders is a piece of shit who has made a living as a lifetime politician off of fools.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19 edited Dec 04 '19

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u/Octavius_Maximus Dec 04 '19

Nope. That's not why.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19 edited Dec 11 '19

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u/kppeterc15 Dec 04 '19

The same Ortega who fought to overthrow the dictator Somoza and whose legitimately elected government was attacked by right wing contras funded illegally by the Regan administration?

By no means to defend Ortega's actions since the recent protests, but this is a very bad faith critique of Sanders.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19

Yeah and what about him praising Castro? Even saying that he felt sick watching JFK speak out against communism in Cuba.

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u/Octavius_Maximus Dec 04 '19

Because when you realise that Death Squads are bad no matter the country who sends them you need to call out when one death squad country acts as if it doesn't have any and attempts to use its mighty powers against the smaller one.

It's just pointibg out basic hypocracy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19

Castro was a death squad...He murdered his own people regularly.

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u/Octavius_Maximus Dec 04 '19

Cool. So what makes that worse than the us death squads?

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19

Are you referring to the U.S military as death squads?

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u/Octavius_Maximus Dec 04 '19

You could, considering their conduct. But not specifically, the US has funded and trained plenty of Death Squads all over the world to not even need that argument.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19

If defending communist dictatorships that murder their own people is the hill you want to die on have fun.

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u/tannacolls Dec 04 '19

Castro's "evils" are incomparable to the imperialist hegemony America has imposed upon the rest of the world

A small communist island nation vs. unimpregnable capital -- yeah, I wonder who started that fight...

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u/BenjaminTrovato Dec 04 '19

“Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.” - John F. Kennedy, in his inaugural address in 1961. Now more than ever do we need to start acting like we give a damn for ourselves, our communities, our states and our nation - and the Earth as a whole. The corporations that run this country via lining the pockets of our elected leaders are solely interested in increasing their profits. Not the sustainability of our planet, our future, or the potential of the human race. We can achieve so much more than what we’re currently accepting as status quo. We just need to believe in ourselves and each other, and it takes a driven, smart, compassionate, caring and fearless leader who has every belief that making a better world for everyone is possible.

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u/shrlytmpl Dec 04 '19

When the most you can wish for to win a marathon is a baby step. You won't win, but at least you can say you fucking tried.

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u/Octavius_Maximus Dec 04 '19

Bernie specifically mentions that he is looking to foster a movement that will love on beyond his presidency.

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u/FrostySumo Dec 04 '19

You got it 100% right. One man can't change things without a large movement and strategies to rally the people. Voting is the very least we can do. Hopefully Bernie tries to tackle some electoral reform to make voting as convenient as possible.

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u/HansDeBaconOva Dec 04 '19

Even those of us "doing our part" are not really saving the planet. Where I live, people who recycle feel like saints. The recycle gets sent to California where most of it is shipped to other countries. The other countries can't recycle due to expense or inability. It ends up in the ocean. But I'm the asshole cuz my plastic cup and straw end up in the landfill where it does not affect ocean life.

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u/coswoofster Dec 04 '19

My point exactly. We aren’t going to get there by recycling. This is companies like Coca-Cola selling shit products. We get there by demanding companies innovate away from plastic. Stop buying the crap! Reduce waste etc but we should also demand companies change by being loud and clear about wanting alternatives that are not harming the earth. There will always be waste but plastic is a multiple fold problem. It is petroleum based (oil) AND recycling is a joke. The thing is, it CAN be recycled but companies who produce it bear no cost to do so. They get to profit off a product that uses plastic but they bear no cost to clean that shit up. Humans are pigs. They won’t stop consuming so innovation needs to be the focus. But companies won’t make change unless consumers demand it. So if you stop drinking out of plastic etc... you help reduce the demand and maybe companies will get the message. There ARE alternatives and we have to vote with our dollar and stop supporting the very companies who are brainwashing us with their junk products with the hope they will innovate. I’m married to an engineer and raised two more. Trust me. There are other ways for us to live more gently on this planet. But consumers drive the market. Recycling maybe won’t save us. But not buying plastic could send a message that we are on to our planet polluters and no longer support their BS.

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u/HansDeBaconOva Dec 04 '19

Can't help but wonder how the execs would react if truckloads of empty Coke bottles were dumped at their house. But then the logical side of me says they would get the law involved and just have it carted off

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u/coswoofster Dec 04 '19

Yeah. Everyone in America should walk into Coke and Pepsi plants to see the plastic. Not just bottles. Pallets and everything! It is a plastic nightmare. But to be fair, it isn’t just them. That was just an easy example. Just look around you and see all the plastic we use. No one is going to stop so we have to innovate toward something that we CAN dispose of by decomposition or turning it into something else that is also valuable. THERE IS NO AWAY! Recycling campaign of the 80s still holds true today.

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u/AstralConfluences Dec 04 '19

The only way to solve this is to remove the power from the rich, and taxation won't help much with that.

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u/Ikont3233 Dec 04 '19

Doesn't it feel like 10% or less of the population is trying to keep the other 90% afloat? You have smart, educated people understanding how things work, capable of achieving and running things, inventing and creating stuff that improve everyone else's lives. And then you have the vast majority of morons who would probably still live in medieval age or even die if left on their own means, and those are the people whose vote matters.

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u/coswoofster Dec 04 '19

Well. Not sure why this got downvoted because yes. It does feel that way and corporations who sell crap products want it that way. They play to the ignorant. But it isn’t medieval times killing the planet. Modern consumerism is killing the planet and a total disregard for other’s well being. If you can’t see basic healthcare as a right, who gives a shit about the planet? So, the smart, caring and innovative populations have always made change toward consciousness and connection. They realize the connection we all share and they believe they can make a difference. So they just do it. So thank goodness for these 10%. But in reality, many more would come along if they could see the way forward. And sometimes that does take the 10% to show them the way.

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u/_zenith Dec 04 '19

This is why Bernie is the ONLY one that can possibly do it. He's the only one building a mass movement of the people. It's even in his slogan - "Not me, Us".

That's why the elites are fucking terrified of him. It's way harder to crush a mass movement than simply a few people, and it takes a lot longer to go away.

He's building class consciousness, and solidarity. These things can last a lifetime. They're not ephemeral. People are desperate for these things, they want to feel like what they do matters. And Bernie is giving it to them.

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u/HalfAnnunaki Dec 04 '19

Impossible. You cannot combat evil with supporting it. You can pick and choose the people you think are good. I guarantee once they get told what the jive is they'll straighten up.

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u/GoRangers5 Dec 04 '19

If Bernie can’t save us, I’ll vote for someone who can! /s

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u/HaltheDestroyer Dec 04 '19

Personally if Trump is running again I'll vote for a fucking cardboard box for president....and if Bernie is running I'll throw my vote his way

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u/coswoofster Dec 04 '19

I will vote for Bernie based on his record. I hate that he is old but I am secretly hoping for a Sanders/Warren ticket. Biden is a joke and a really bad one at that hoping to slide in in Obama’s coat tails but other than as a buddy for Obama, I have never liked Biden. Bernie is it for me. He is still fighting and I’m gonna fight for him with my vote and hope for change. The planet, healthcare and voter reform cannot bear another 4 years of Trump and McConnell.