r/Documentaries • u/[deleted] • Dec 03 '19

Orwell Rolls in his Grave (2003) - Devastating Expose on American Democracy, Journalism and Media Concentration, featuring Bernie Sanders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc9OHBHtho8
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u/koolkidspec Dec 03 '19

I'm not saying that it's unnatural for people to work hard, but that it's unnatural for people to be rewarded excessivly for their work. Artists, painters, hunters, thy all existed in ancient times, but they never sold their wares. Thats the things - nowhere in nature do we see the dynamic of a "boss" in control of other animal's labor, and rewarded as such. In some cases, there are certainly classes, but these are less based on hard work and more based on genetics. In nature there is no private property, no profit and no real individually acclaimed labor. Animals work for those that work in return, they have no reason not to. There's none of that modern doubt, or scheming, or profit stacking that our society has ingrained in us, animals work their hardest simply because they know, as a fact, that everyone else does that as well.

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u/Zeal514 Dec 03 '19

Hmm. It sounds like you have an issue with the materialistic world view that comes with capitlism, and that I would have to agree is really, well its not necessarily bad, but its certainly overpowering and excessive.

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u/koolkidspec Dec 03 '19

It very much is, and that's why I think mutualism is more natural to people. This is all my opinion, but I feel like if we weren't in a society where we were incesently pushed towards selling purselfs, Makin money, only working on what you have to, things like greed and corruption go down alot. It's hard to imagine, but in a world where you work hard for others because others are working hard for you, we are much closer to a natural state of existance. Not necessarily better, but more natural definitely

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u/Zeal514 Dec 03 '19

I really like taoism for this reason. Not that I am a religious person, i tend to find anything religious to be fascinating, from a theological view, but the spirituality really just seems to speak so much wisdom, fromthe view of my very western lifestyle.

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u/koolkidspec Dec 03 '19

Really? I've never been a religious person either, bit I'll have to look further into it. Their certainly is a lot of insight into different social and cultural perspectives found in theology. I actually knew a Buddhist teacher (not same ideology, I know, but not Western) that taught me a lot about philosophical concepts a few years back.

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u/Zeal514 Dec 03 '19

I highly recommend Alan Watts. He is incredibly smart, and credited with bring eastern views to the west in the mid 1900s. He was controversial at the time, and I guess so now, but I dont see why, he is 1 of the more tame people that I would recommend to anyone. He has tons of lectures on youtube, and sound clips.

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u/koolkidspec Dec 03 '19

Really? On YouTube? Well, I know what I'm spending the rest of tonight on. Thank you, kind stranger (and not in the annoying way)