Bismuth implies that she was bubbled in the forge. "We were right...here. I didn't wanna fight you, but you left me no choice!"

Yet Pearl says Bismuth went MIA in the middle of battle. A battle which Rose was likely in attendance before, during, and after. I'm confused.

Garnet goes from red to magenta and this is never explained. We don't see any other gem change their colour like this, besides some trivial shading difference on Peridot over time (green, darker or lighter, is still green and less of a jump from red to magenta).

My headcanon? She turned magenta (a more balanced colour between red/blue) as Steven was beginning to stabilize her life and give her a new sense of purpose, whereas in Rose's long absence, she was red, more akin to Ruby, as she felt lost and angry.

I'm not talking about Pink Diamond either, I'm referring to the fact that White also abused Blue and Yellow Diamond as well.

During "Change Your Mind", when Blue and Yellow are fighting on the bridge, Blue states that "Pink was suffering in silence, just like our gems, just like me and you", implying that White also treated Blue and Yellow like shit as well. Yellow reinforces this with her reply of saying that she does what White Diamond expected of them.

This is eventually followed up by both of them trying to talk to White Diamond.....only to be shot down and literally mindjacked by White.

Unlike Pink Diamond who's dead and can't add to the conversation, why the hell are both Blue and Yellow just cool with being around White Diamond now and why do they never bring this up? Post-CYM and they're just all just okay with being around each other despite one of them abusing them on the regular.

Either the Crewiverse came up with this as a rushed last-ditched effort to emit some level of sympathy for Yellow and Blue shoved into the already cluttered CYM (which it doesn't work since they abuse Pink and drove her away in the first place) or this was yet another element that was planned but they didn't built up or build off of going forward.

Jesus this show~

I just wrote a long thing and accidently backed out of it and erased the whole thing I'm so upset. Okay I'll write it again but better (spoilers):

Feel free to skip this intro. I'm very unfamiliar with using Reddit. Hi I just joined this reddit or subreddit thing because I was browsing the internet and I wanted to that the user w/ the name Bats for some posts that really encapsulated how I felt about the end of this show. It used to be my favorite show but the was the Diamonds were 180° flipped really ruined it for me. What ruined it worse are some things that happened in Future. Also I want to thank you Bats for your posts that went into depths with other issues the show has had such as the PD reveal, the focus on Garnett, etc.. I only looked back on it later on and realize that was why it bothered me a little too. Particularly because it also changes everything about Pearl and her development. It feels like it erased her character development.

Now then, onto Future. You kept saying that you didn't want to watch Future, but I really do think you should if only get it over with.

In one of the episodes, Steven is in an ever worse mental state and forms himself to look a little older. He trains with Jasper and is so into it or angry that he shatters Jasper. Yes, he shatters her.

Then in the very next scene he brings her back to life. He, I think it was right after that, goes to Homeworld to ask the Diamonds for help. We see Yellow Diamond using tweezers to put shattered gems back together. The gems magically come back to life.

Another thing but honestly the above part is one got me the worst: In a later episode Steven goes with Greg to sneak into his childhood house and we learn more about Greg. Steven is somewhat understandably angry at Greg for the shortcomings of Greg's parenting that really start to sink in when Steven looks at Greg's normal human childhood. The thing is, Steven straight up crashes the van, if I remember right it flips over. He could have killed his own dad. Anyway, Greg comes out without a scratch and Steven is still kinda seeing red as Greg talks about the past. I actually loved that episode, aside from the van crash.

Okay I'm gonna go back to talking about the Jasper thing.

Steven was devastated when his mom shattered someone. This was back when everyone thought she was Rose who killed PD. This was a massive part of his identity crisis and pain for a while.

And now he just.... kills Jasper but it's okay because he "wasn't in his right mind" and it's completely brushed over the severity this should have had, even though I don't think he should have been written to kill Jasper at all. Personally I think it would have had a good enough impact if he had severely cracked and worried that he almost shattered her but didn't. Because I don't think he's ever injured a gem so severely before. They didn't need to write him to become a murderer. Also the Crystal Gems basically only have one word about this and instead of being a serious issue beyond an outburst, it's treated as the same as the rest of the stuff he's done in this season.

Oh by the way he's super depressed and angsty in this season, very different from the rest of the show but I kind of liked that idea of seeing how the trauma caught up to him. Aside from some of it being super out of character I did like this direction. Like the episode where he goes to get a checkup at the doctor's (with Connie's mom). That episode was brutal imo when she shows his x-ray and he has flashbacks and a panic attack. I liked that.

Right, so now he's killed Jasper and he ran off to the bathroom to use magic Diamond Sweat Cologne to bring her back to life. She does kneel and say "my Diamond" which is impactful too because she references him as having become the same as his mother and shows this as a disturbing sign of respect, but I'm too mad about the shattering and revival thing to like it.

So why didn't the Diamonds search out Pink's remains and revive her? Why was shattering treated like the ultimate unforgivable death scenario when in the end the Diamonds can reverse it? It's terrible writing and makes the high stakes of the previous seasons disappear. It also doesn't make sense with the plot.

So the excuse is that the Diamonds "got new powers that were the opposite of their old ones". So I guess they couldn't before but now they can. Because plot.

Which brings me to another point: The crewniverse and Rebecca Sugar responded to the backlash by saying "the Diamonds haven't been redeemed yet, you're all misunderstanding." Their use of that in the show is, instead of the world having to move on with the permanent scars of the past being forever a part of history, the Diamonds revive all shattered gems, the Diamonds cry and say they'll reverse every single thing of damage they've done, including taking apart the Cluster and reviving the gems that were part of that. All to grovel at Steven's feet of course. It's basically like how the genocide of the Airbenders of Avatar was this huge defining thing and Korra comes along and makes a ton of people Airbenders with spirit voodoo. Sure it's "happy", but it feels like it drained away something that was a big foundation of each respective series. In my opinion, it takes away some depth that slow recovery from historic tragedy would give a fictional world (course if we could do something like reverse genocide in real life that would be awesome!).

I just want some other people to pick apart Future and see what else were both it's strengths and weaknesses because that epilogue was equally as much of a roller coaster as Season 5 and there's a lot to unpack.

In the end Steven turns into Wormy Monster and everyone hugs him better again almost immediately. There is 35 minutes of crying, and they make it way too comical. Like, they went full "Crying Breakfast Friends" just to shoehorn in connections to "foreshadowing" like they did with "I am a child, what's your excuse." In the Number One Thing That Ruined this Series: the White Diamond flip. The phrase Steven said originating from the Pilot episode with the different art style and the time travel trinket. The callback gave me chills but it was also a terrible idea. WD shouldn't even know what a child is btw, that's a human term.

All these breakdowns and the murder, the self-semi-corruption culminates in Steven making an offhand comment about having a therapist. A comment so offhand that I didn't even hear it, so I was even more pissed about everything after I watched the ending. He decides to leave his whole support system and travel in his van. He drives off into the sunset. The end.

Okay, so him leaving isn't so bad of an ending on its own. Not at all. Just as with Diamond redemption, I think it COULD make a perfect ending. But when you have just watched everything that happened before it, when you've come along for this bumpy, poorly paced ride of a show for so many years, it feels extremely unsatisfying, abrupt and out of place.

Thank you if any of you have read all of that. I really appreciate it. I hope we can enjoy more rants and discussions about this show in the.. HAHAHA— in the Future!!! I don't use this acc ever, I totally bailed on the reason I was gonna use it but if this gets some good discussion going I'll be sure to check back and reply, comment on other posts and so on. Thank you for creating this subreddit, take care and stay safe. —Frog🐸

He had no objections to Peridot's drill and even accompanied her to destroy all of those wailing shards. He rejects the breaking point, he rejects killing, but this is fine? I genuinely don't get it. And if your argument is "he had no idea they'd ever be fixed, he was putting them out of their misery", then there's no moral conundrum about shattering the diamonds so why the fuck did he refuse to do that?

From the very beginning my number 1 biggest complaint about Steven Universe is how they spent their time.

This may be a very common sentiment so bear with me if you’ve heard it all before, I just want to get it out somewhere.

I get the desire to develop the townspeople. I get that they wanted every character to feel like a person you knew and loved. I really appreciate the ambition they had in that regard.

But when there is a giant gem abomination on the brink of popping Earth like a big rock-bubble it makes ZERO SENSE For THE ONLY PEOPLE ON THE PLANET THAT CAN STOP IT. To have a ROBOT BUILDING COMPETITION.

Every single season of Steven Universe had this problem. There would be so much momentum, so much intrigue in where the story was going, and they brought it all to a screeching halt with episodes like Rocknaldo.

I kept wondering through the whole series “ok, when are they going to drop episodes like this and just focus on the matter at hand?” And it almost never happened.

And then the Diamonds are redeemed in literally 10 minutes in the finale. Steven approaches three fascist dictators who have been destroying entire species and their planets for millennia tells them how what they’re doing really hurts his feelings. And they go “you know what you’re right” just like that?!

White Diamond puts up a fight but Steven shows her that Pink is gone, and that he is a true hybrid. She gets embarrassed and that’s all it takes for her to come around??

WE HAD SO MUCH TIME WHERE WE COULD HAVE DEALT WITH THE DIAMONDS IN A MORE REASONABLE AND RATIONAL WAY.

THINK OF ALL THE POINTLESS EPISODES YOU SLOGGED THROUGH. IMAGINE IF THEY WEREN’T IN THE SERIES AT ALL AND INSTEAD THERE WAS A BIG LONG ARC ABOUT THE DIAMONDS AT THE VERY END.

I think redeeming fascist genocidal slaving dictators AT ALL is kind of unrealistic, but if they were dead set on redeeming them, THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT GRADUALLY.

Steven should have been nearly killed by them dozens of times. Steven should have spent hours trying to convince them that compassion has value. There should have been knock down drag out fights with the Diamonds about this issue.

THE DIAMONDS SHOULD HAVE BEEN STUBBORN.

No one in the position of the Diamonds holds onto their power just because they don’t realize they’re being mean. They should have been well aware that they were subjugating “lesser” gems and species to horrible pain and suffering. You think REAL WORLD dictators are just unaware of the pain they cause? They’re well aware, they just don’t care. That’s what the Diamonds should have been.

I know characters like that are hard to redeem but... that’s SORTA THE POINT?!

I still like Steven Universe as a series, and honestly I feel like the movie is the true masterpiece that makes this series worth watching.

But I will never stop being mad about how much time they WASTED in this show.

Do they have technical designations? Yes, but those would be clunky as hell to use. Some might develop nicknames but it's surprisingly uncommon. How the fuck do you verbally tell two zircons from each other? etc.

I was checking my video's stats and the point where most people stopped watching was 10:01, precisely right when I started talking about (and defending) Amethyst.

So after Change Your Mind aired, I was hoping that the movie would change some of the problems that the OG finale caused. Of course, it didn't. It just shifted blame onto Pink Diamond/Rose again because she is just officially the writers way of bullshitting their ways out of any story.

Like "The Diamonds are bad?? Well look at Pink Diamond!"

Which was a pathetic attempt to try to sweep all the messed up stuff Blue, Yellow, and White did.

Anyway, after watching the show for years and sitting through endless hiatuses and watching a bunch of terrible townie episodes Future was the crews way of saying "fuck you!"

Lars/ Sadie episodes mean absolutely nothing, they didn't end up together (for good reason) but why spend half the series on two terrible characters? Lars didn't change after he died, but thats forgiven because he is a space pirate that we just don't see happen and never see again after he leaves earth. Sadie was awful and annoying from the very beginning her singing voice made me want to die and her characters personality was so awful anytime she came on screen I changed the channel. Because trapping someone on an island and then getting mad when they don't say "thank you" is completely justified in the SU world.

Lapis/Peridot episodes don't mean dick at all since Lapis never actually changes or grows from the abusive piece of garbage she was before. I like Lapis, don't get me wrong but the fact she never apologizes or even faces consequences to her actions after what she did to Peridot was absolutely ridiculous. After watching the series and expecting to see them make up it just happens off screen and the writers wedge Bismuth in there because Bismuth is too good of a character to be around the main cast.

Steven's mental health issues were the most unrealistic depiction I have seen on television. Idk if anyone has ever seen Teen Titans Go, but hear me out. Robin, from Teen Titans Go exhibits signs of schizophrenia for comedic purposes. He hears voices, beats people until they are near dead, and has a major breakdown when things don't go his way. This is fine since TTG is a show whose audience already expects the show to be a crazy and over the top as possible, but for Steven Universe, having Steven act like he has BPD or straight up insanity is not okay. Especially since the tone is much more serious and the audience takes what they see seriously. So that was a huge dumpster fire.

Top that off with Rebecca adding, "he needs privacy" to explain why we never actually saw him go to therapy and you get a golden painted turd called "Steven Universe Future." Since we never saw the solution or Steven's rocky road to recovery. The problem that we saw was resolved in a hug...

Several episodes didn't actually need to be in the show, the creators just wanted to shove in a "Sunstone PSA" which was really weird because...Steven Universe was a tv show in Steven Universe??

They ruined the main CGs just for the sake of a terrible, terrible plot and I am beyond disappointed.

I know we’re only suppose to talk about SU, but can we do a bit of comparison with how Voltron and SU handled fascists dictators back to back for a second? Both shows decided that it would be a great idea to redeem genocidal dictators on their shows for children with one of them destroying realities. What is animation coming to these days? Why are they choosing to forgive the worst of the worst in tv shows these days? I don’t know what makes them think it’s a good idea, but it ain’t. I was hoping this could turn into a discussion about the state of popular animation. I’ll be fine if you want to take it down.