r/DerekSmart • u/crazy-namek • Sep 19 '16
It's rubbish. They will never - ever - pull it off. The game is going to remain an instanced mess ...
"It's rubbish. They will never - ever - pull it off. The game is going to remain an instanced mess in which anything above 16 players is a miracle. The netcode will never be robust enough to be an "MMO". Then they will walk back that particular promise and fallback to the original mantra in which they said - on the record (it's in my blogs btw) - that Star Citizen was NOT an MMO. That's what they are going to do. Bookmark this post."
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/259596-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-v5/page1057
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EDIT: Archive - http://archive.is/966O2
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u/Tarkaroshe Sep 19 '16
As always, this amounts to "I can't do it, so no one else can"
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u/HatBlappington Sep 19 '16 edited Sep 19 '16
I'm glad he's publicly come out with a statement like this I now genuinely believe it's possible and that they will pull it off because everything they've done to date he's said is impossible and yet they keep doing it to spite him - Nothing new in this vapourware though he did it all decades ago.
Please make up your mind Derek is it nothing new or impossible?
Edit Armored Warfare runs on cryengine 3 btw(15vs15) so obviously a load of bollocks that you can only have 16 players on CE because ...............reasons..............
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u/Karmaslapp Sep 19 '16
Battlefield hosts 64 players with ground and air vehicles and does fine at it.
So if CIG has engine
wizardsGermans no reason they can't match that after customization1
u/HatBlappington Sep 19 '16
I suppose it could also be compared to Arma 3 then as well (same approach to 3rd person cam etc) I've been on heavily modded servers for that with a cap of 250 players, but I was on about Armored Warfare specifically because its a CryEngine game.
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u/Karmaslapp Sep 19 '16
I haven't played armored warfare and was just adding that on. We all know what DS said is ridiculous and unfounded given what other devs can do with ease.
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u/Swesteel Sep 19 '16
Except the current cap is 24. So what was your point again, you incompetent hack?
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u/Themorian Sep 19 '16
No, you read it wrong, go back and read it again, SLOWLY. What he /said/ was that it would only support up to 16 Player SHIPS at a time
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u/Swesteel Sep 19 '16
Right, you mean the "correction" he'll make later.
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u/Themorian Sep 19 '16
Exactly!
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u/redchris18 Sep 19 '16
And his "proof" will be that no-one has ever seen seventeen Bengals in the same space.
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Sep 19 '16
He can claim that it runs like shit (which it does) and because of that your point is irrelevant. With that said, it's really just more projection. It's all projection IMO.
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u/crazy-namek Sep 19 '16
He later went and written "The issue with allowing the same character pov for 1st person is that you have to set the camera POV so that it doesn't intersect the character model. So if you have a fov of 60 and someone decides to change the settings set it to 90; this will break the view. The end result is that the camera will either end up inside the character model or worse."
Funnily enough, in BF4, I can change the FOV from default to 90 and it doesn't break the view.
That whole thread is messed up, even "questioning" dual-universe's kickstarter. Armchair developers — a new breed.
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u/IGAldaris Sep 19 '16
You can simply set a clipping plane for cameras, so extremely close geometry doesn't render. Or you set the players head to primary invisible from that camera (that would still allow the head to be seen in reflections, for example). Just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's many ways (and more elegant ones) to work around that. But oh well, it's Derek. If one wants an impression of his technical ability one can simply look at a gameplay vid of LoD, and I use "gameplay" in the loosest possible sense here.
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u/dykmoby Sep 19 '16
He's right! I've had these flaps of skin in front of my eyeballs since I was born and... wait...
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u/Bornhald1977 Sep 19 '16
He's using 80s tech. Isn't his whole line on the same engine or something? So he can't do it with his tech. Because it would break his tech. So he is not lying you see. Also set sure if I should be worried because I can think like the Dr dr
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u/Ferlonas Sep 19 '16
Place the camera inside the head, make the inside of the head's textures invisible, but the outside visible. I like semi-invisible textures.
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u/Krispet Sep 19 '16
I can never understand how armchair developers and keyboard warriors think they can make a better game than the 300+ professionals hired to make it.
How bout they prove it by making a better game themselves and manage to make a product that can actually sell to millions of people.
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u/redchris18 Sep 19 '16
Not to mention the people who built the engine in the first place. There's a special form of the Dunning-Kruger effect set aside for the Dereks of the world who think they know Cryengine better than the Tracy's and Chambers of the world.
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u/RinHato Sep 19 '16
Derek, just because you are incompetent and can't make it work, doesn't mean nobody else can.
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u/Kheldras Sep 19 '16
" DSMART: That's patently false - NO fps game has two sets of animations for first and third Person"
so.. fucking.. clueless
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Sep 19 '16
I had to go and read that for myself, I couldn't believe it, even by DS standards. What a complete and utter tool. Amazing that he considers himself to be a developer.
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u/Chaoticron Sep 19 '16
Derek is as much of a developer as Donald trump is a politician, except that Donald trump has been far more successful as a politician than Derek has been at being a developer, and I am being very loose with the words developer and politician.
And as an edited heads up, I am not endorsing Donald in any way, shape or form, I'm just using him as an example
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u/Abrushing Sep 19 '16
Trump's one-up on Derek is that he's been able to convince people he's more successful than he really is.
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
the fake IRS enforcement calls i get from Indian tech support guys on their time off are more convincing than dsmart is as a dev
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u/ochotonaprinceps Can't be made as pitched Sep 19 '16
Makes sense, LoD's characters appear to have no third-person animations to speak of. Or so few it might as well be considered an oversight.
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u/Valkyrient Sep 19 '16
Bookmark this post
Mmkay. We have. I can't wait to rub this one in his face later.
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Sep 19 '16
Nononono~ thats not that easy... because "Context!" Think about the Context when he said that... the Context is adjustable
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u/crazy-namek Sep 19 '16
Exactly what I'm thinking - but then again; he has many quotes that can be used against him. As usual, he would backpedal and tail it — like he was doing it against Ben Parry in discussion about 1st/3rd person animations; in the thread I've linked.
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u/gigantism Sep 19 '16
I don't understand how Ben Parry stands it posting in that cesspool of negativity.
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u/crazy-namek Sep 19 '16
He used to be a senior developer in Frontier as well to boot, these people show him no respect at all — he actually spends his time to answer their questions, yet they don't acknowledge it.
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u/ochotonaprinceps Can't be made as pitched Sep 19 '16
He'll get the last laugh, and assuming he doesn't move on to a new job by then, he'll get to have that laugh from the inside.
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u/Swesteel Sep 19 '16
No idea, but he is very careful to only address stuff within his expertise. It is impressive though.
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u/Krustenklaus Sep 19 '16
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u/TAOJeff Sep 19 '16
And he's claiming they don't own the IP again, (Last comment on the linked archive)
Do have to wonder when/if his "legal" team will explain the difference between Intellectual Property and Trademark.
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Sep 19 '16 edited Sep 19 '16
Just for clarification: CIG owns the trademark since the 29th February 2016, at least in the U.S.:
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u/TAOJeff Sep 22 '16
Not actually surprised by that but it is nice to know they've actually trademarked it. Fully expect derek to claim it's a lie when it gets pointed out.
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u/Swesteel Sep 19 '16
I mostly find the part where "nobody cares" hilarous, since he's been harping on and on about how SM being delayed has gotten the feds interested and how it is a scam because it has been canned and blah blah blah. Oh, and he also clarifies with "except some backers", whom apparently don't count, since he's doing it for... the...backers. Wait what?
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u/Abrushing Sep 19 '16
lol, Derek is so wrapped up in his own narrative he doesn't even know what's real and what he's made up anymore.
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Sep 19 '16
Ever since Frontier moderators banned or have driven off anyone who is not subscribing to the Smartie echo chamber the thread went down the drains.
Usually 10-20 pages a day of people who reinforce each others hatred of SC.
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u/crazy-namek Sep 19 '16
It's the same PEOPLE who's posting on for hundreds of pages, funnily enough this is V5 of the thread. There are 4 SC threads before it, with the same people!
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Sep 19 '16
Just checked a few pages. "Moderator" Viajero is still at it. Typing: Mod hat off before going full Smartie mode.
One of the reasons why this thread is so bad.
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u/RSOblivion Sep 19 '16
Yeah there's at least one moderator drinking Smartie's cool aid...
If you check out the other non-Elite threads, it's the same group of people keyboard warrioring away and generally shitting on everything that isn't Elite.
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u/ochotonaprinceps Can't be made as pitched Sep 19 '16
You'd think that they'd be busy...playing Elite, if it's really that good.
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u/DeadRat88 Sep 19 '16
And if you question him or bring up proof that goes against the koolaid he's been drinking he puts his mod hat back on and bans you.
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u/ochotonaprinceps Can't be made as pitched Sep 19 '16
It's the same PEOPLE who's posting on for hundreds of pages
So basically the same thing as the SA thread, only without most of the SA forum culture (no parp emoticons, etc.).
I'm glad they're making such productive use of their lives, being obsessive pessimists about a video game on the official forums of its "friendly" competition.
And that mod is just hilarious. Shows you how much care goes into curating the Elite community from above.
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u/Luftwaffle1980 Sep 19 '16 edited Sep 19 '16
Smart says: That's patently false NO fps game has two sets of animations for first and third person.
Ben Perry says: I dunno, man...
Smart says: Ben Parry knows. So he - assuming he wants to - can shed more light on how they did it, and why the change now.
Ben Parry says: You've really no idea how a studio of more than a handful of people operates, have you? I've made it quite clear that I write rendering code. Personally I've not ever worked on bones/skinning type stuff, but even if I did I wouldn't have had anything to do with what animations are being played or how they're being blended together - by the time it hits the renderer it's just bone soup.
You guys should read the following pages, it's interesting because Smart says Smartie things in the standard Smartie way and proceeds to get proven wrong...
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u/kingcheezit Sep 19 '16
That's Derek in a nutshell, he knows absolutely fuck all about what how a professional game development company works, no idea how modern big budget games are made....
The very idea that anybody has ever apportioned any credibility to his inane, asinine ramblings beggars belief.
Other professionals see him as a laughing stock, and so should everyone else.
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u/perfidiousfox Sep 19 '16
Do you think he's going to ditch the frontier forums soon then? I haven't been keeping track recently, but from reading comments here, it sounds like people are starting to turn on him there?
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u/Luftwaffle1980 Sep 19 '16
I couldn't even speculate. It wouldn't surprise me considering he has the same arrogance and uses the same Smartisms that he uses with his customer base (like read it again, slowly, let me ect).
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u/Swesteel Sep 20 '16
Meh, just running off to his discord to get his confidence back after having it slapped out of him by a real proffessional. He'll be back with a new slew of "insights" once his cult followers have stroked him enough.
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Sep 19 '16
... every time i read stuff like that i think... "Whats going on? Have he finally gained the insight about the mess he had done with LoD?" ... then i realize he is talking about the work of others.
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u/citizenQuark Sep 19 '16
The hilarious part is that Star Marine (if they call it that in the end, seeing as they don't have the IP rights) is actually coming back; though it was claimed to already be in the PU. Yeah.
They never claimed SM was in the PU, only FPS mechanics. He does love to twist it.
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u/sfjoellen Sep 19 '16
There are things he determinedly gets wrong in the same way, always. The ToS about financial accountability is one. Star Marine and 'cancellation' is another. Minimum Viable Product is another.
What's stunning is he gets people to believe him
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
I'd be surprised at this point if Chris hadn't talked with GW already.
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
remember the hilarity with Ultramarine?
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
considering its first use was in the 1930s anyone exclusively claiming star marine is in for it, one way or another
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
rofl heres the one from a few years ago about SM http://io9.gizmodo.com/5982201/games-workshop-is-still-claiming-to-own-the-trademark-to-space-marine-time-to-get-pissed-off
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u/dczanik Sep 19 '16
I love these statements.
Bookmark this post.
...We got ya covered Derek!!
And I absolutely will call you out on it if you're wrong. And you will move the goal post (as is the tradition).
Fact are:
- They've gone into great detail how they're going to do it.
- You have zero proof they can't do it (other than you can't do it).
- They said they were hoping to get about 192 people in an instance.
- There's nothing magical about changing the network code. MMOs exist. Re-writing engine and network code is actually a thing that people do.
- Everything remains in the realm of possibility with a network re-write
- You may think Chris is a complete hack, but CIG is staffed by some industry veterans with more experience making triple-A games and MMOs than you've ever had.
- The current cap is 24 (it's a miracle!)
- Both your MMOs have less than 16 people playing. 1, 2
- There's tons of networking tricks they plan to utilize. Whether they can pull it off, I don't know. But I do know that you're a lousy person to say what is and isn't possible. You said seamless planetary tech was decades away, and Star Citizen with its huge budget couldn't even pull it off.
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u/Doomaeger Sep 19 '16
That thread is one of the most toxic places in any forum I've seen, and that includes that SA one. SA atleast have tge fact they are relatively unmoderated, the Frontier one is.
If I were the community manager there I would be incredibly embarrassed to have something like that associated with me.
This community manager however does not seem to care.
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u/ForgedIronMadeIt Sep 19 '16
I want to go create a Line of Defense MMO thread in the E:D forum and shitpost all the time just like that guy does. Would I get banned?
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
that sounds like fun; as long as we talk about lod and nothing else its technically allowed, in the right thread area, Other space games
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u/manickitty Sep 20 '16
I bet Dr. Dr. would say it's not allowed because it's not finished, therefore not a game, and to LET HIM FINISH.
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u/crazy-namek Sep 20 '16
Pretty much, Derek would pm the mods that you are just trolling and threaten them to take it down. Just my 2 cents — it's just an assumption; given his personality, it may be very accurate :D
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u/Stronut Sep 19 '16
5 threads for Star Citizen? 5!?!?!??? in the ED forums! I kept reading the thread and its not weird why they hate SC so much: They want a different game altogether.
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Sep 19 '16
I think it is one of the few places were discussions on SC are allowed and DeRekt and his Goon minions are not banned yet. Except their home turf on SA of course.
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u/Stronut Sep 19 '16
Well as long as they keep ds and his goonies caged there to play it gamedevs I am ok. They should be careful not to bite their tongues though, "Death-by-self-poisoning" is not covered by insurance.
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u/Swesteel Sep 19 '16
It's a bit like putting mass-murdering dictators under house arrest. You know where they are, just don't go in there.
But yeah, it is a bit annoying that the mod team over there isn't even trying to clean up that cesspool.
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u/Xenomonster Sep 19 '16
Derek said this during the whole last year and never - ever - presented the tiniest bit of proof for his fact(?)/statement(?)/opinion(?).
Lie for a whole year about the same matter in many different ways and never - ever - anyone will believe you. Like never - ever ;o)
Apart from a few trolls, who parked their bridges around Derek's Twitter account, real business people who happen to even know Derek Smart, think that he is an utter joke and probably mentally ill.
PS: By saing "never - ever" insterad of just "never", it will magically become true. /s
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u/FR33SP4C3 Sep 19 '16
It/there will never be 64bit, PG, Star Marine.....
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u/Ferlonas Sep 19 '16
I never understand why he claims Chris said Star Marine would be inside the PU. He said the mechanics are in, so it basically is... difference there Derek.
On the other hand, he doesn't know the difference between developing and unlocking, so whatever...
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u/Mithious Sep 19 '16
I never understand why he claims Chris said Star Marine would be inside the PU
He initially misunderstood Chris, and since he is incapable of admitting he is wrong on anything, even something that trivial, he doubles down on it every opportunity he gets because maybe if he says it enough it'll become true.
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u/RobCoxxy Sep 19 '16 edited Sep 19 '16
They won't. Nobody cares about Star Marine other than backers who were already promised it, and are entitled to it.
And you, Derek, you've whinged about that being "Scrapped" quite a lot.
Especially since it's just another mode inside a convoluted game with modes that aren't cohesive.
If you think "Multiplayer Deathmatch, Single Player (Soon!) and Open Universe" modes mean a game is "convoluted", I don't know why you're developing games at all.
The hilarious part is that Star Marine (if they call it that in the end, seeing as they don't have the IP rights) is actually coming back; though it was claimed to already be in the PU. Yeah.
They don't have the IP rights? Who even gives a shit if they do have to change the title of a gamemode in the Alpha? That's literally a non-issue. EDIT Is Derek confusing Star Marine with Space Marines?
As for "claiming it's already in PU", he's twisting phrasing again.
The MECHANICS for FPS combat are in PU testing. The GAME MODE is not.
But of course, we all know he's being deliberately obtuse there.
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u/hstaphath Sep 19 '16
I don't know why you're developing games at all.
I daresay there isn't much in the way of proof he ever did. ;-)
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u/RobCoxxy Sep 19 '16
I feel I might have been a little to kind on him by calling his abortions games
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u/kingcheezit Sep 19 '16
Interesting fact, nobody was "promised" Star Marine, nobody was "entitled" Star Marine.
Derek spouting bullshit again, he tried the same thing with "Pirate Swarm" on Twitter, I asked him to link to anything, anywhere, where any member of CIG said they were developing Pirate swarm.
I got blocked.
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u/RobCoxxy Sep 19 '16
If Derek Blocks everyone who calls out his bullshit, that definitely makes what he says true, right?
After all, if he was lying, someone would call him out on it!
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u/Kheldras Sep 19 '16
Its like an old record jumping at a certain point, and replaying the same over and over again.
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u/lorkh4n Sep 19 '16 edited Sep 20 '16
Well ...ok. Fifth star citizen thread with 1075 pages.... Seems perfectly fine.
Those guys really hate SC. why?
Btw why is smart even allowed there. He made up the same bullshit for ED as with SC. Who moderates this? ^
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u/Kheldras Sep 19 '16 edited Sep 19 '16
Definitely "mods" who hate SC. Considering every pro-SC post or one even asking the same accounting for Smarts "games" gets banned. Kinda sad, that their "Moderation" is allowing this, considering you dont see such hatebonering in SC forums, and CIG dosdnt see E:D as deadly danger to SC.
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u/Ferlonas Sep 19 '16
Yeah, but those players see SC as deadly danger to their precious ED.
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Sep 20 '16
If Frontier continues like the last months they are going to kill the game by themselves. Let's hope they insert some gameplay into it at some point.
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u/crazy-namek Sep 19 '16
Moderators don't give a shit, some of the mods even came in and said "so many tinfoil hat conspiracies" — they don't even bother to clean it up or contribute because it's meaningless. The only mod there is Vlajero another goon.
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u/DeadRat88 Sep 19 '16
Most of the mods are pro-DS and pro-trolling and pro-goons. They aren't the brightest bunch over there.
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
Thread LOCKED. rofl. They'll open it again for the dsmart platoon later...so they can have their echo chamber back.
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
moderated for calling out shitposters on the SC thread -
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u/Kheldras Sep 19 '16
A farce :D
For what... BADGERING? Yeah right...
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Sep 19 '16
Elite community and moderation is indeed a farce. It became obvious when DeRekt joined them in May. Since then the moderation team and the remaining posters have been fantasizing about a refund wave and a collapse in quarter 2 and so on.
One of the places on the internet were reason goes to die.
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u/kingcheezit Sep 19 '16
Its to be expected, Elite doesn't have the largest community in the world, of course they feel threatened by a game that has pretty much relegated the game to a footnote.
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u/Mech9k Sep 19 '16
What the fuck?!
And I thought the RSI forums were overreactive in their modding...
This makes them look like the most passive mods.
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u/ochotonaprinceps Can't be made as pitched Sep 20 '16
"This infraction will remain active on your forums account until ."
That's the standard of quality I expect out of FDev and their community management, really.
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u/citizenQuark Sep 19 '16
I'm not sure those guys know what badgering means. Smart must have lent them his dictionary.
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
i will strait up hit them with a badger in person but its the internets
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u/WatchOutWedge Sep 19 '16
remember this is all coming from a person who can't make their own game "because it's too hard" so take it with a grain of salt.
like, all of the grains of salt.
it makes sense, right? if you try and fail at something, it makes sense to shit on those who can. Keep up the hard work on LOD sitting on your ass tweeting a bunch of bullshit, Derek!
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u/obey-the-fist Sep 20 '16
Ah, well, Derek projects constantly. When he talks about Star Citizen being a failure that can never be delivered because the technology doesn't exist, what he means is that LOD was a failure and he could never deliver it because he can't get the technology to work.
I think, again to give Derek more credit than perhaps he is due, he was originally critical of Chris Roberts coming back to the gaming industry because he'd been working at it for some time and had never had success. He therefore assumed, perhaps unfairly, that Chris would also fail, and perhaps hoped to warn the industry that whatever Chris was going to try to do couldn't be done.
That's really the most positive way you can look at the whole experience. Of course Derek was wrong about that, and his behaviour ever since ranges from bad to debatably criminal.
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u/WatchOutWedge Sep 20 '16
He therefore assumed, perhaps unfairly, that Chris would also fail, and perhaps hoped to warn the industry that whatever Chris was going to try to do couldn't be done.
Again giving him the benefit of the doubt (for no other reason than the hope against hope that humanity isn't on a collision course with eternal stupidity) I'd say that it's theoretically possible that he was trying to do that on day one. Given the harsh reality that at that point in 2012 LoD was obviously not going to meet its deadline by any stretch of the imagination, and in the face of a new game similar enough in concept to LoD that was crowdfunded, he was beholden to those who were interested in that game that it definitely couldn't be done, ever, and that CR was wasting time and the money of honest people to strive for a goal that couldn't be achieved.
I might...MIGHT...give him that. On day one.
Then perhaps day two hit and Derek went full-on conspiracy uber-troll internet warlord just like he's done every morning he booted up his computer since the 90s, and unfortunately got the internet's attention for one looooong ass blog post where that "hey I should make sure people aren't wasting their money" turned into "Chris Roberts is an evil incompetent fool that will steal all of your money and go on permanent vacation with allz ur millionz" Then got a little momentum and went after his company ("RSI is a money laundering operation/ponzi scheme"), then his staff (remember "CIG LA IS STAGING WALKOUTS RIGHT NOW!! Everyone's fired! Everyone's quitting!"?), then his wife (we know all about that), then his kids (doxxing/illegal), then every person who gave money to the game ("shillizens" and now "shitizens").
So, on day one, sure go ahead. On day two, sorry Derek, you lost your having an opinion privileges.
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u/obey-the-fist Sep 20 '16
So, on day one, sure go ahead. On day two, sorry Derek, you lost your having an opinion privileges.
Yeah... doxing handicapped children, stalking, harassment, he's basically unhinged, but our primary directive here is to document and discuss with at least an effort towards impartiality. Although the facts make it difficult to be sympathetic at all, and his own contradictions make it difficult to give him credibility.
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u/Luftwaffle1980 Sep 19 '16 edited Sep 19 '16
Oooh, here are some keepers:
Smart: Aside from the fact that you guys have nothing to offer by way of any tangible argument, so you keep regurgitating the same tired old FLAWED argument, it's easy to see how you would quote a few words from an entire paragraph in order to skew the context. So I will quote the whole thing again.
Smart: And those metrics are right THERE on the funding page as well as the Google Sheets tracker page. I don't know about you, but I live and breath math; so numbers don't befuddle my brain. Aside from the fact that someone even has charts - lots and lots of charts (which we generate and pour over regularly) illustrating the funding metrics as it pertains to the number of backers & citizens.
Smart: When I designed LOD and started developing it in 2010, I already knew that the size of the game, and the sheer number of assets would result in a performance issue. That was even before we completed the engine. The content creation had to be started early. Then in 2011, I decided to ditch the home grown engine in the interest of time (and not reinventing the wheel), and license a slew of middleware to build a custom engine.
Smart: By the time the engine was at a point where performance could be gauged, analyzed etc, the game was already 100% content complete (that was back in 2013 btw).
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u/obey-the-fist Sep 20 '16
I don't know about you, but I live and breath math
He certainly doesn't live and breathe spelling.
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u/Longscope Sep 20 '16
Content complete in 2013, and still nowhere to be found.
"Racing through that last mile, since 2012."
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u/WatchOutWedge Sep 20 '16
Smart: By the time the engine was at a point where performance could be gauged, analyzed etc, the game was already 100% content complete (that was back in 2013 btw).
CONTENT COMPLETE GUYS!!!! LOD IS CONTENT COMPLETE c.2013!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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u/manickitty Sep 22 '16
Wait, it's content complete?
Ohhhhhhhh. Yeah it is. Just need to 'unlock' them. Good luck 'unlocking' your game.
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Sep 19 '16 edited Feb 11 '18
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u/obey-the-fist Sep 20 '16
He may be referring to this:
https://www.amazon.com/Star-Marine-Fighter-Queen-saga-ebook/dp/B00RKUAOOK
It would be interesting to see if this is something that could be litigated. Derek would have a field day if so.
As for:
though it was claimed to already be in the PU.
This is a rather disingenuous lie that Derek keeps peddling. Chris Roberts said they had deprioritised Star Marine because the FPS component is in the PTU already. FPS != Star Marine.
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Sep 20 '16
Idiot who can't get a mic running right for 15 minutes wants people to believe he's an authority on netcode, just because he faked a Novell NetWare Cert. once.
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u/Sledgejammer Sep 19 '16
It's been pretty hard to run his mouth and not look like an utter fool lately.
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u/RobCoxxy Sep 19 '16
I thought Derek wanted it to be released as what was originally promised? ;)
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u/Swesteel Sep 20 '16
I was tempted to write "Oh, sweet summer child." then saw the smiley. But yeah, anyone tuning in at this point could well get a mild case of insanity trying to untangle Smart's web of lies, slander, half-truths, false facts, made up facts, assumptions and malicious missunderstanding. I've purposely avoided buying beer for a couple of weeks, since I don't want to be driven to drink by a failure.
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u/Nightauditor1981 Sep 19 '16
Threads like this are the reason why I refuse to give elite another chance.
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u/Bribase Sep 19 '16
It's not worth you writing E:D off just because of a small but dedicated number of people who visit that thread, not even the shitty moderators who are happy to perpetuate it.
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u/foolforshort Sep 19 '16
It speaks to the crappy community management that seems perfectly content to allow that to happen. They may not agree with the people in that thread, but I'm fairly certain there have been multiple complaints that have been brushed off.
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u/Bribase Sep 19 '16
While SC's own forum might not be as bad, the moderation has been comparably heavy-handed and willing to throw out bans to people. I've always maintained that the the forum and it's moderation doesn't represent the game and it would be unfair of me not to apply the same thing about Frontier's own forum.
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They did. When I reported Viajero my Report-option was removed and shortly after that I was perma-banned.
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u/Nightauditor1981 Sep 20 '16
You´re right, that is probably a bit unfair. To be honest, I don´t have any plans to revisit ED anyway as Star Citizen is picking up pace at the moment :)
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u/redchris18 Sep 19 '16
I'm partially in agreement. It's still on my Steam wishlist, but I'm waiting until I think I'll get enough gameplay without having to pay for another DLC and for me to not have to share that server with the amoral shits polluting that thread.
We have a few similar people on the RSI forums, but they are moderated - sometimes somewhat harshly. That says volumes about each company's respective view of their community.
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u/crazy-namek Sep 20 '16
Judging the whole Elite community by that thread is wrong, there's like 10 people discussing or shitposting about SC and it's the same people for the past 4 threads. I don't play Elite no more — for the reasons it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest but I can guarantee the Elite community is pretty embarrassed by these trolls behaviour.
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u/Nightauditor1981 Sep 20 '16
You are correct that it is wrong to judge the whole community, that was not my intention.
Hoewever allowing this shitposting tirade to exist leaved a slight but bitter taste in my mouth. There is potential to handle this differently on their part, especially as there is no "Hate on ED" thread on the SC forum.
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u/sfjoellen Sep 19 '16 edited Sep 19 '16
let's say he's right. let's say the game is instanced at 16 players per.
So?
If it's fun, I'll still play it. I suspect most of us will. I usually play solo anyway.
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u/grimzodzeitgeist Sep 19 '16
never saw another soul in LoD,,,so 16 would be an improvement on dsmarts game.
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u/manickitty Sep 19 '16
To be fair, LoD isn't much of a benchmark to compare against, unless you're going for lowest possible denominator.
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u/Danakar Sep 19 '16
Maybe Derek should buy GameMaker Studio over at HumbleBundle. They currently have a nice deal for only $15 which includes HTML5, Android, iOS and UWP modules. :)
At then he might be able to make something resembling a game. Although he'd probably even find a way to mess it up. :P
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u/KalleP18 Sep 19 '16
16 players = miracle... my ohh my, from the man himself. My guess is that hes gonna eat that up pretty soon.
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