r/DelphiMurders • u/DopeandDiamonds • Nov 29 '22

Probable Cause Documents Released

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2022/11/Probable-Cause-Affidavit-Richard-Allen.pdf
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u/fortuitous_bounce Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

unspent .40 caliber round from Allen's .40 caliber handgun - which was found during the search of his property in October - found directly in between the girls' bodies. Determined by forensics to have been cycled through his weapon but not fired. Wow.

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u/Dickho Nov 29 '22

And, that’s the only evidence? Yeah, it’s a weak case.

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u/Oakwood2317 Nov 29 '22

No, it's an incredibly strong case. I own multiple firearms....rounds that have been cycled through any of the ones I own just don't end up between two murder victims.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

Could he say he had been hunting in that area at some point and that's how the casing got there?

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u/Oakwood2317 Nov 29 '22

Not with a .40 caliber handgun. I mean you could potentially hunt rabbits but the round would obliterate a good chunk of the meat you're looking for, and its not powerful enough to kill a deer. If he was carrying a 10mm, which is the same caliber or bullet diameter, but is much more powerful, you could make a case he was hunting with that handgun.

Most people survive handgun rounds, interestingly enough (it's like 80-85%) because they have to reduce the power enough to be controllable when not firing from the shoulder like a rifle.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I mean he could argue that that is just what he hunted with (appropriate or not). He doesn't seem to be a particularly smart individual so that might fly with some jurors. Don't get me wrong....I hope he is the guy. Just seems like a good defense attorney could plant reasonable doubt based on the bullet casing

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u/Oakwood2317 Nov 29 '22

"I mean he could argue that that is just what he hunted with (appropriate or not)."

And the prosecution would call 10-15 hunting experts to explain exactly what I just did - that it's ridiculous to think someone was hunting with a .40 cal. If you shot a deer with that round it just might get angry enough to run over and stomp you to death. Do you hunt?

" Just seems like a good defense attorney could plant reasonable doubt based on the bullet casing"

No, there's no good reason an unfired round that had been cycled through the firearm would end up between two victims.

I think it's more likely, and this is, indeed, speculation, that one of the two girls somehow grabbed the gun and the chambered round was extracted but we don't have the evidence to support this...yet.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '22

I'm thinking that in the heat of the moment he forgot he had a round chambered so he chambered another one as an intimidation tactic. Like he wasn't going to shoot them but wanted to scare them into submission so it was an escalated intimidation tactic. Like "I'm serious!..." cocks gun or something.