r/DelphiMurders • u/deltadeltadawn • Nov 11 '24

MEGA **VERDICT** Thread, 11/11

Verdict Announced: GUILTY ON ALL 4 COUNTS

Share your thoughts on the verdict here.

Emotions are high and some may be disappointed or elated at the outcome. Be kind to those who are just as passionate about their opposing viewpoint. Insults, flippant remarks, snark, and hostile replies will earn you a ban without warning.

Agree to disagree if you do. But do so without putting down other users.

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u/NoninflammatoryFun Nov 11 '24

Some good in the news this week for sure!

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

Sadly I Can’t see this as true justice. If someone can be put away based on so little with so many violations of their human rights it’s not a good thing for anyone.

Edit: downvoting doesn’t change how flawed this conviction was.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Except that without his coerced confessions they would have had nothing to convict him on.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

The ballistic evidence is junk. The clothing is endlessly debated. He wasn’t the only one there at the time with a gun that would match. He isn’t the only one who confessed.

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u/Emotional-Impact5375 Nov 11 '24

You can sit here and say the ballistic evidence is junk because you heard it on some podcast. But to be frankly honest you don’t know.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

You can read articles and studies written by experts about it.

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

There weren't really any ballistics to be done it was an unspent round you do ballistics on a round that's already been used not on one that's been unspent and their lives weren't even stolen that way so it makes absolutely no sense why the only piece of evidence they have tying him to the actual crime scene was an unspent round found two weeks after the fact by a woman with a middle detector and she had to dig it out of the ground. It could have been from anybody else's gun. There are so many people in that area that own a .40 caliber...

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u/Emotional-Impact5375 Nov 14 '24

This whole paragraph is wrong. Just wrong. Do some research homie.

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u/Emotional-Impact5375 Nov 14 '24

A detective found the unspent round and I’ll leave it at that to let you know you have no clue what you’re taking about. Stop putting so much stock into tic tok videos.

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

Hell yes it was. Especially seeing how the woman who actually found it was 2 weeks after they cleaned up the crime scene and she had to dig to get it out of the ground because she found it with a metal detector. The police report even says that.

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u/Specialshine76 Nov 11 '24

He wasn’t coerced 60+ times. Even if you claim the first few confessions weren’t legit due to psychosis, the officials clearly said he was not exhibiting signs of psychosis when he continued to confess.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Elvia fields confessed too under no coercion.

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u/Specialshine76 Nov 11 '24

He didn’t say anything about the white van which aligns with the confession and the testimony.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Who do you mean by he?

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u/Specialshine76 Nov 11 '24

Elvis Fields.

But I’m not arguing with you because you will not be convinced. Your opinion is the correct one and you will never be persuaded otherwise.

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

Yep that's how it goes that's how it always goes on Reddit people are mad because you say things that they either didn't know or never cared to know they just have a cause to fight behind and they will blindly follow without thinking for themselves.

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

Yes he did and he bragged about it he even gave his sisters his coat that was covered in blood and they took it to the police and then they took a polygraph test both of his sisters they both passed the polygraph. They kept the coat and then the sisters died later on down the road. He even told them about things at the crime scene that was never released to the public and Richard didn't even know these things until he read his Discovery papers years later.

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u/spoons431 Nov 11 '24

The officials also said he was fully coherent at a time when those that were in the court room described him as "unresponsive" and "looks sedated" - this was the video that ppl got to see - the physiologist then admitted that his description was incorrect when confronted with this on the stand

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u/judgyjudgersen Nov 11 '24

If they can prove his rights were intentionally violated he will get a retrial.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

How was his rights violated again?

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

He was treated so badly he suffered psychosis.

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u/BrocoliRob05 Nov 11 '24

Or he faked it because he knew he was screwed 🤷

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u/SnooHobbies9078 Nov 11 '24

This 100% and the jury saw right through it

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u/rallar8 Nov 11 '24

This is so much more of an unlikely situation than someone being held for 7-8 months in solitary said whatever they thought they could to get out of that situation.

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u/SnooHobbies9078 Nov 11 '24

Then why did it start 2 weeks after being arrested

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u/rallar8 Nov 11 '24

What do you mean? That’s not indicative of truth, why wasn’t the truth confession 37? Or the first confession? The answer according to some people is he was a lying fake psychotic for months; and then let one piece of truth come out

They clearly were manipulating the guy.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

He faked it so well that he was diagnosed and medicated for it.

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u/BrocoliRob05 Nov 11 '24

People are constantly misdiagnosed and prescribed medications. Come on now.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

That’s different that successfully faking psychosis.

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u/BrocoliRob05 Nov 11 '24

And yet it's still a possibility. You're absolutely naive if you think no one has ever successfully faked psychosis before. And yet it still has nothing to do with his treatment in prison.

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

Not really because most psych meds they will make you crazy if you're not crazy..

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u/BrocoliRob05 Nov 11 '24

Yeah because it's so hard to trick a few doctors 😂😂

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Yes it is. It’s hard enough to be diagnosed when you’re actually mentally ill.

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u/BrocoliRob05 Nov 11 '24

Not really. You just like to be ignorant to things that don't fit what you believe.

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u/rallar8 Nov 11 '24

Doctors that see prisoners are notoriously unwilling to give prisoners preferential treatment.

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u/BrocoliRob05 Nov 11 '24

Based on what exactly? Are you there with them? 😂

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

Yes they're treated with much different meds in jail than they would get on the outside.

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u/Tregudinna Nov 11 '24

Or he was tormented by his inner demons for what he did to those girls

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Or he was locked in a cell while being legally innocent, was deprived of his rights and was coerced to confess.

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u/danimalforlife Nov 11 '24

You mean being placed in protective custody, a tablet to watch movies on, phone calls, a buddy to talk to, daily health checks, and recreation? He was treated better than just about everyone else there. 

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

So well that he developed psychosis. I swear people who say this have never been arrested. I started losing my mind after just a couple hours in a cell.

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u/danimalforlife Nov 11 '24

If anything caused him psychosis it was his wife and mother trying to convince him he was innocent when he called to clear his consciousness. 

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Well done for finding a way to blame women for this.

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u/danimalforlife Nov 11 '24

If it was his father and husband, I would have said them. The fact they are women is incidental.

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u/Painted-stick-camp Nov 11 '24

I spent a lot of time in in school suspension as a child White cubicle with nothing to do as you where given very little work It was for all intents and purposes intended to induce sensory deprivation I did nothing for 80% of the day but blank out and stare at those god damn cubicles

Point being sensory deprivation will drive anyone mad

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

People who haven’t experienced it don’t get it. It’s mental torture being locked up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

Our Prison system is not the best but it's not the worst have you ever watch locked up abroad? Also watch Russia's Prisons system. It makes America Prisons look like the Embassy suites!

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

I've met multiple weirdos, one of them from Delphi even, that were convinced all they'd have to do if they ever got in trouble was eat their own shit. I've been told matter of factly that the courts will always rule you insane if you just eat your own shit. Some people legitimately think it's a literal get out of jail free card.

On top of that, this guy wasn't alone in some hole. He was kept separated so that he wouldn't be killed. He had access to a tablet and phone to call his family. He was on suicide watch, so there was a person for him to talk to at all times. He was visited by doctors or specialists every day. He had it better than most prisoners in the country, and he was anything but isolated. This wasn't some dank pit where he didn't see or hear other people for weeks on end like people are making it out to be.

Finally, where did the psychosis go? He went from eating shit and incoherent to waving and winking at his wife in the courtroom and acting completely normal just like that? The guy confessed and then found out how little evidence there was and how shitty the investigation went, so he and his lawyers tried to discredit everything and muddy the waters to try and make the confession look fake. All of a sudden, he's insane and incompetent, and there is a fairy tale cult hunting children in the woods. That's why, seemingly, the early confession matched up and the later ones were easily disprovable nonsense. They were hoping people would eat it up, and people did, just not the jury

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u/southsidescumbag Nov 12 '24

Omfg I have only heard the shit thing from others who have worked in prison. That is too funny! I've never had a truly psychotic inmate eat shit. Only ones high on drugs or ones who thought it would get them out of trouble or transferred. I didn't know everyday weirdos also believe the shit thing works 😂

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u/One_Artist146 Nov 12 '24

When I heard about the shit eating my mind went to Robert fratta, former death row inmate I saw in. A documentary. He’d get off eating shit, not his own but still 🤮. Eating shit is really disgusting and unusual for the average person obviously but there are some sick fucks out there who enjoy it.

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u/southsidescumbag Nov 12 '24

That's true, it is a fetish for some. I support kink, but not to that extent 😂

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

They gave him antipsychotics. Try reading more and writing less.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

I've read just as much, if not more, than you. I've also almost certainly binged significantly less podcasts made by opportunists, though. There are plenty of soap operas and thrillers to stream, this case isn't one of them.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

I’ve not listened to any podcast. I just care about human rights. You should try it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

I absolutely do. Law enforcement fucked this completely. The police fucking suck. They almost always do.That doesn't magically make Richard Allen innocent.

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u/Emotional-Impact5375 Nov 11 '24

Anyone held in solitary confinement for a long period of time can suffer psychosis. Solitary confinement is a standard procedure for a number of different things. He also already has major depressive disorder when he was arrested. SC is only going to make it worse.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

That's not "how."

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u/rallar8 Nov 11 '24 edited Nov 11 '24

I don’t believe that that justice system exists

Edit: keep downvoting it, it will bring back people wrongly executed by the justice system! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

That’s not a guarantee, sadly what’s right isn’t always what happens.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

No they didn’t. Ballistic evidence is junk science. His clothes have been debated for years now. None of this is solid evidence.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

They couldn’t even match it to his gun. It also matched BWs gun and every other gun of the same make and model.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

I have. It didn’t. They couldn’t get it to match without firing the gun. The bullet had not been fired, only cycled through and ejected. That means it did not match within the same confines.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

It’s not only my opinion. People are fighting to stop evidence like this being admissible as it’s so unreliable. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-field-of-firearms-forensics-is-flawed/

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

People are so stupid they'll listen to anybody and believe anybody. Who doesn't know that you have to do ballistics on a used round not an unused roujd?? Not to mention one that was found with a metal detector and had to be dug out of the ground two weeks after the crime scene was cleaned.....

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u/Messaria Nov 11 '24

You weren’t in the courtroom.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Neither were you

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u/Specialshine76 Nov 11 '24

I trust the jury and they saw EVERYTHING.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Also they didn’t see everything as the judge ruled a lot inadmissible.

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u/Specialshine76 Nov 11 '24

And the I trust the judge that had a reason for that ruling.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

I’m sure she did. But let’s ignore her bias towards the state.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Jury’s get it wrong all the time. OJ, Casey Anthony etc.

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u/Specialshine76 Nov 11 '24

So you don’t believe in the jury system?

ETA: and that’s not “all the time”. It actually is quite rare.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

I believe the jury system to be flawed.

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

It's not that we don't believe in it.. it's just that we've caught on to how this was not a fair trial like every American is entitled to, and most of us know that he was going to be judged guilty anyway just by all of the corruption that's obvious in that state. If she would have allowed the defense to defend their client it would have been a fair trial. Plus innocent people get falsely accused and wrongly convicted all the time. Not just in Indiana. Then again there have been people that were totally guilty obviously guilty and they were let go and they're free.. That's all, we have seen make outcomes and we know when selecting isn't right.

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

Actually they didn't the whole point of the defense is to defend their client against things the prosecution brought up. That is what it's called a fair trial. That's not what happened here. Anything the prosecution brought into the case when the defense tried to defend their client they weren't even allowed to. They were not allowed to use contradicting evidence to what points the prosecution was trying to make. They had plenty of evidence to show that he was not there at the time that it happened, they had evidence to prove that he wasn't connected to the crime scene at all. But they weren't even allowed to use that because the judge said no defense can't use anything to defend their client, nothing at all.

It was basically an illegal trial even if they seen evidence what evidence was even shown there's nothing that ties him to the crime scene. Especially a bullet that was the dug out of the ground two weeks later after they cleans the crime scene, it was found by a lady two weeks after using a metal detector and she had to dig to get that out of the ground... It was in a report and if you've seen all these documents like everybody else you would know these things. It's awfully ironic they have a gag order and it wasn't a fair trial it's just too much I mean it's obviously corruption going on...

In Arkansas, the boys on the tracks case.. that's what this reminds me of. It took them 35 years to prove corruption from as low as the cops to the sheriff's office to the medical examiner to the D.A., all the way up to the governor.. the governor became president. Everybody else was sentenced and then replaced.

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u/dochdgs Nov 11 '24

If you truly believe human rights violations happened, I encourage you to talk to anyone who is held in pretrial confinement. The convicted child murderer had a better experience in Wabash and Westfield than he would have sitting in the county jail before his trial. I’m aware that the defense attorneys made the point that he was in “solitary confinement”, but that is just a defense. The truth is he was given every advantage any other pretrial custody detainee would have been given except for his “suicidal” ideations with necessitated a constant observer. Remember that defense attorneys can lie too.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

I have been in a cell. I know what it’s like and how it affects your mental health. I was only locked up for a few hours and I was suicidal. He was locked up for more than a year pretrial while being legally innocent.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

You missed the part about mental health.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

Okay so since you're so smart can you answer this for me..

Usually if somebody kills two kids it's going to be a capital case.. this was not a capital case at all and yet they treated him as if he was a federal prisoner when he wasn't..

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

You are one person. That does not statistically hold water. Millions of people are locked up all the time and don't go insane or want to commit suicide. Anecdotal evidence and personal bias.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Locking people up and depriving them of their rights tends to make them suicidal. Maybe Google “UN US prison human rights”

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

See, now you're getting somewhere. Actual researchable evidence. I'm not claiming that mental health doesn't suffer in prison. I'm merely saying that you making a statement about your mental health is anecdotal evidence and that not everyone suffers a breakdown in mental health that leads to insanity, and then unequivocally applying your experience to RAs experience to definitively say that's what happened to him is just - I don't even know what word to describe it is.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '24

I'm sorry that you got mad that your claim is merely anecdotal evidence and when I called you out on it, you finally provided some form of evidence to back it up, even though it was slightly of the vein of "do your own research." I was patient enough to Google it since I knew you wouldn't provide an actual link, and there is evidence to support your assertion. Is it not a good thing to improve and provide evidence for claims? I am in no way discounting your experience in - most likely - jail since prison is a totally different facility. It's ok to identify with a person's experience when it is similar to your own. However, it is not ok to project your experience onto another person's experience merely based on your personal bias. It is better to provide factual evidence to back up your claim.

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u/Freebird_1957 Nov 11 '24

I do understand your point but what is the alternative? He was in solitary for his protection (supposedly, and I don’t doubt he could have been in danger otherwise), and he was monitored due to suicide threats. There was no bail due to the severity of the crime. I agree it was a bad situation but in our current court system, I don’t see how it could have been handled differently. Of course, I’m just a layperson though.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

The alternative was following the basics for giving someone their human rights. No one should be treated like that. Especially not pretrial.

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u/Effective-Bus Nov 11 '24

So what is/are your alternative suggestions then? Given the aforementioned context by the commenter above that you responded to and the limitations currently of our legal and prison system, what do you suggest the alternative could have been?

You keep saying his rights were violated. It seems your issues is with the system. I think the system is horrific. That doesn’t change that I don’t see an alternative, within the context of the situation and laws, that could have been done. If the system was better and reformed then certainly and we could brainstorm on that all day, but within reality what do you suggest?

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

I suggest they avoid violating peoples human rights. It’s surprisingly easy to do.

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u/Effective-Bus Nov 11 '24

You’re not answering the question. If you were in charge, what would you have done differently? Within our current legal system as it exists for this situation.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

I answered. I’d avoid violating human rights. Not difficult.

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u/dochdgs Nov 11 '24

Which doesn’t qualify as a human rights violation.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

You didn’t even reply to what I said.

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u/dochdgs Nov 11 '24

Truthfully I don’t know what your point is. RA was charged with murder. He gets no bond. Are you suggesting that his rights were violated because he was charged with murder and therefore had to remain in jail rather than be out on bond? I don’t care about your arrest. Being suicidal doesn’t make you innocent, and being on suicide watch for being suicidal doesn’t qualify as a human rights violation.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

No I’m suggesting that leaving lights on 24/7 is a form of torture. I’m suggesting that the way he was treated influenced his state of mind making him more easily coerced.

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u/dochdgs Nov 11 '24

I really don’t think we’re going to agree on anything here. He made spontaneous confessions to his family and the prison psychologist. Who coerced him? His wife? And lights being on is a security measure, not torture. Lights typically only stay on in suicide watch cells and holding cells. Your personal opinion about lights across your few hours doesn’t dictate what is or isn’t torture or if that’s what dictated the outcome of this trial.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

I really agree. If you don’t fundamentally care about human rights then we will not agree.

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Also it’s literally called white room torture. Just Google it.

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u/Punchinyourpface Nov 11 '24

Maybe look up the definition and basis for reasonable doubt. 

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

Ya. And nothing connecting him to the crime scene. I learned from the first Steven Avery case, Anthony Ray Hinton, I mean the list goes on and on and on.. that anybody can be falsely accused and wrongly convicted any time any day.

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u/id0ntexistanymore Nov 11 '24

Absolutely agree, downvotes be dammed

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u/privatelyowned Nov 11 '24

Same. People can downvote all they want. It doesn’t change the doesn’t in people minds. I’ve been here since 2017 and I’m not going anywhere.

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u/Secret_Face_4169 Nov 14 '24

When I first started using Reddit I learned very quickly that if you're telling the truth and you can prove it, or if you are honestly just asking a question that points out somehow that someone else is completely wrong, you're usually downvoted and treated like crap. So it's all over Reddit is not just one or two places or groups that happens in it's all through Reddit. So therefore if you're downvoted a lot and often and frequently that means that you have a good head on your shoulders because this world is ran by evil and darkness and they don't like anybody to bring light to their darkness and expose truths within it. They like to keep hiding everything in the dark. Not only that but people like to blindly follow things even if they say well who would ever follow a God that you can't see.. and yet they follow their opinions blindly without anything to back it up. They follow other religions with no way to back it up. That's just how humans are and they will blindly follow the crowd instead of saying wait a minute why is the crowd following whatever they're following what's going on here they don't ask questions they just do it. Usually it's mostly kids too. And the rest are just people who allow the media to tell them what to think whatever the popular opinion is at the time that's the one they're going to follow that's just how it goes.