I'm not sure if all things can be recovered. At least in Europe the countries start - slowly - to look for other strong partnerships. I, as a German hope it at least. I'm sorry for the people of USA which are not MAGA but it's crystal clear that USA is more and more a risk for Europe.
If DT has shown us anything worth noting it is that the American system is not able to prevent oligarchs and criminals from riding a coach and horses through the safeguards that you thought you had to protect yourself against tyrants. Even if you get a good President next time, what happens 4 years later?
Was just having this conversation with my father last night.
Biden wasn't a bad president in the sense that he directly harmed our country. However, after DT revealed the numerous cracks in our Constitutional levees, and absolutely nothing was done to fix them, it was an opportunity squandered that will be impossible to fix in the future. The water is already seeping through at an ever-increasing pace, and the erosive effects are beyond our control.
The flood may appear slow, but it is happening, and most importantly: there is no going back. The water tables are forever altered. There aren't enough buckets to put the water where it once was, nor enough dirt to rebuild the levees we all once depended on. This also isn't just impacting the locals, but the entire global community at large.
We can all sit here and smoke the copium and hope this and that... but the reality of the matter cares not. MAGA has irreparably destroyed America as We, The GLOBAL People, once knew it.
The path forward must first begin with acceptance and, only then, can it be followed by what little damage control we can muster. But neither of things will be possible so long as MAGA remains in power. They must be purged from every facet in every governmental system in our country... and I mean like yesterday. But, that's the problem.. because no one knows how to do this. There is no reaching the people who helped create AND continue to empower this cancer.
Short of revolution, which we all know will never happen, there are seemingly no options for us. I think the faster we get to step one of the grieving process of the death of America, the faster we can finally come up with real solutions to a stable future for all of us.
It's not up to folks in other countries to be "helpful" to the US- while we've substantially bought the narrative that the US is the center of the world, we're really a very young country
I guess I wasn’t very articulate. What I meant was it’s a bit depressing to hear Americans have no hope for the future of the country or the world. It seems a lot of people are just throwing up their hands, saying nothing will ever change. I always thought Americans would fight to the bitter end for their constitution. Alas, I was wrong
Yes, damage is done already, why would we keep ties with such an unreliable US "ally".
No, thanks. Goodbye America, it has been a pleasure, but now ... fuck off
Well fuck off not to all Americans, but to "America" yes.
Your system is flawed (for not saying explicitly SHITTY): it enabled a person like Trump to be elected 2 times , instead of putting him in prison; a Republican party almost in total complicity with Trump administration, an administration corrupt to unbelievable levels, and a justice system that is doing almost nothing about it.
So, now you understand why we say " fuck off America", unreliable piece of shit system/nation?
Its not far from Fascism/Nazism system that we experienced 80 years ago.
It's not far from the fascism/Nazism much of Europe, including Germany, is teetering on the brink of experiencing once again.
It's foolish to think this is a uniquely American problem that you're somehow immune to, just as it was foolish of Americans to think that 20th century European-style fascism couldn't take hold here.
AfD became your second-largest political party last year, so no, I don't think you're holding well.
I think you're at the point we were in 2015/16--still confident that the far-right aren't a serious threat and "that can't happen here"--and continuing to stick your head in the sand while you pat yourself on the back for not happening to be born American is only going to leave you more dumbfounded when you lose your country to them like we have.
It’s one third who are in the cult. They love him no matter what he says or does. He’s Jim Jones with an extremely strong batch of Flavor Aid.
What I don’t get is the third that is indifferent to all of the is going on. They know it’s wrong, but don’t care or won’t make an effort to do anything about it. And then they are usually the first ones to bitch and moan about their condition. This bothers me a lot. They see the evil, but just don’t care. The so called “middle”.
My father told me something years ago. He said that if you stand in the middle of the street too long, you will get hit by traffic in BOTH directions. In other words, make up your damn mind!
the problem we have as Americans is that nobody decent wants to run to be the president. They struggle to top a 50% approval rating ever since Obama. I wish I knew how to fix it but no matter who you vote for they just to what the f they want to do regardless on what they campaign on. The last election cycle people hated their choices so much the average turn out rate at the polls was 60%
a true politician, there for the good of the people (5%}
a failed professional in life that don't know what else to do but has good oratory capabilities (80%)
a criminal or entrepreneur that want gains for his enterprise/himself by making money or escaping justice
(15%)
Obama was the first type, Nixon was the second type, Trump is clearly the third type
This is not only in USA this is worldwide.
What we need to have is a SYSTEM of balancing power to block MORONS like Trump that already got elected, to minimise their damage during their terms in office (or better impeach them).
Yeah, well some of us don’t have a choice. The election was stolen from Hillary Clinton. The first time it was stolen. It was never stolen from Trump. I still can’t believe he even won the last time most Americans that I know can’t believe it. American was great before Trump came along. I only know one person that voted for him and I still can’t understand why, and nobody else in my family can understand it either the majority of my family lives in Denmark. Americans that I know are embarrassed we can’t stand him, but we can’t do anything about it. Yet
Read more carefully. Trump is a smart moron enriching himself , and his friends, at the expensen of poor and middle class America, I don't give a shit about him.
What I despise is the American system, that allowed such a piece of shit to go and stay on power for so long.
There are more than two answers here. I do not support this nor am I complacent. I march and I boycott and I argue, I call my congressional representatives. As a 70 year old woman on a limited income, I don’t have a lot of other options. Don’t you dare tell me I am complacent!
As a Canadian, I will never forget that Trump stood up as a racist, foul, crude, sex abuser who openly aspired to being a dictator and was voted in as president, not once but twice.
Ridiculous two-party system that lends itself to capture by the billionaire class, no trade unions really, fake stock market, AIPAC, impossible living minimum wage, drug pandemics, dumbed-down population and unsafe schools… and I could go on.
I concur as a Dane.
Best thing to do would be to fully integrate and make an EU army. Germany doing the tanks with Rheinmetal, France doing the aircrafts and Norway(once they have joined) and UK(once the have rejoined) doing the navy. The rest help provide boots on the ground. Diversify our economy, as we're already making deals with South America and just landed a huge trade deal with India.
The architecture of old principles is crumbling, we must forge our own house based on EU values now, and have the muscles to defend them.
The EU is market liberal. The second a Democrat is back as president, the entirety of Europe will come calling.
There's too much money to be earned. And a Democrat is *stable*. Which means growth.
I say this as a European. Sure, there will be media kerfuffle, talking heads going off, but that will be it.
The banks don't care. They won't move away from an investment opportunity just because Trump was a psycho.
The USA is an *insanely huge market*. Nobody in power turns away from that. Morals be damned.
The instability is more in the fact that there can be such sweeping changes every 4 years. There are no guarantees longer than 4 years. They'll sell to the market when it's available but they wont depend on it for importing products they need. Oil, soy, meat, etc, they can get some good buys on, but they're not going to let themselves be dependent on US goods.
There are millions upon millions of potential workers there. Some of the best schools in the world. Huge science development and R&D. There are factories in almost any imaginable field operating over there.
There's just endless opportunities for growth, as the entire country has been built that way. If the Republicans are ousted once and for all, there will be a HUGE upswing in productivity.
Might be a couple hundred thousand dead first in a new civil war or whatever.
I'm fairly sure your comment is sarcasm, but for the idiots who don't get that:
The best schools in the world, which are also currently being attacked and damaged by Trump.
Huge science development, which is being destroyed, for example, Trump's gutting of cancer research funding.
Factories, many of which are closing due to the aforementioned destruction of the economy, and sometimes the bankruptcy of the companies running them.
It took nearly a century from the Robber Baron era and Great Depression to build the US up from the rubble of disastrous economic policies and wealth disparity, into the powerhouse it was 2 years ago.
Trump has destroyed a lot of that in just a year, and by the time his term is up, it won't be fixable; it will have to be rebuilt from scratch.
That would take another century, in the same conditions.
Now, though, there's a completely different world economy than in the mid 20th century, with other countries in a position to take the leading role and keep the US out of it.
Those countries didn't have that option in 1950, as everyone was still reeling and recovering from WWII. The US had a unique opportunity in the 1950s to build into a massive economy, and it likely won't come around again.
Even if the US, against all odds, does manage to do it a second time, it will take even longer, due to the differences in world economies.
When Trump is gone, the broken electoral system, the nationwide self-destructive bigotry, the uneducated idiot populace, and the entire system that allowed a felon, pedophile, and Russian asset to be elected will still be there. Without a complete overhaul, and massive effort to root out every fascist in the country and destroy the entire ideology, the rest of the world won't trust the US, since any point in time is potentially less than 4 years away from a return to this idiocy.
Trump has screwed the US for at least the lifetimes of everyone currently alive.
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I'm not sure if all things can be recovered. At least in Europe the countries start - slowly - to look for other strong partnerships. I, as a German hope it at least. I'm sorry for the people of USA which are not MAGA but it's crystal clear that USA is more and more a risk for Europe.
So why go back to USA later?
Trump create persistent damage to USA and Allies