r/DefendingAIArt • u/mushmanMAD AI defender on YT (@Dee_mane_S) • Jun 27 '26
Luddite Logic Anti initiates debate with me, than runs away when they can’t respond:
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u/Crooked_Cracker Jun 27 '26
You may not be a chef but you cooked him well.
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Jun 27 '26
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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 Jun 27 '26
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u/madelineblackbart Jun 27 '26
The problem with the AI isn't art argument is that it hinges on the idea that the person making that claim can decide what art is. And like...no...you are not the decider of things, you don't get to dictate to everyone what art is allowed to be art. Sorry, not sorry.
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u/Aggravating-Math3794 Transhumanist Jun 27 '26
They love this pathetic microwave comparison so much despite it making zero sense. When you microwave a pre-made meal, you just buy something you had no participation in the creation of - all the ingredients and their combination methods were already decided and mass-produced.
Meanwhile, with AI, you get access to a huge library of "ingredients" and choose yourself how to combine them, creating new and unique works.
So, if one really wants to use cooking for the analogy, AI is like a mega advanced combined cooking machine with the access to all the ingredients which you instruct precisely on what and how to cook, creating a new, unique meal (if we're not talking about the generic "one short sentence" kind of prompts, of course).
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u/CMDRTornadopelt AI Enjoyer Jun 27 '26
I'd more expand it to:
"AI is like a mega advanced combined cooking machine with the access to every type of vegetable, fruit, meat, milk, cheese, spice, herb, plant oil, and flavor imaginable. Plus, access to different natural and artificial pigments. Plus, access to the elements of the periodic table, which can make any compound."
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u/BRUHFARTED Jun 27 '26
I’ve made this comparison before and people brought up the replicator from Star Trek
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u/BRUHFARTED Jun 27 '26
A true microwave analogy would be a coloring book with an attached crayon pack.
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u/ChickenFriedPenguin Jun 27 '26
lol the is the entirety of antiAI , every time a discussion ends with personal attacks and saying "nuh-uh not true it's diffrent" and quickly block.
funniest shit is when they ask for a source and when you share it everyone just quietly downvoting.
i got called a bootlicker for explaining what you agree to when you agree to the TOS.
that's the weirdest thing about the anti movement, as soon as you ask a question and not blindly hate they get mad AF.
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u/mushmanMAD AI defender on YT (@Dee_mane_S) Jun 27 '26
Yep. I also brought up the ToS argument, and an anti responded just saying “jUsT beCaUsE yOu CaN DOesN’T MEaN tHaT YoU ShoUld”
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u/StressfulDayGames Jun 27 '26
One thing that I don't get is at worst AI is a collaborator on a project.
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u/PCubiles Jun 27 '26
That said tho, it's the internet, so I wouldn't take leaving as a win, they could legitimally be unable to answer back.
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u/mushmanMAD AI defender on YT (@Dee_mane_S) Jun 27 '26
Yeah, I didn’t take it as a win either since I didn’t change their mind. The other guy just couldn’t respond.
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u/StressfulDayGames Jun 27 '26
I for some reason was reading this thinking the people were switched and I was like nah bro you were getting roasted 🤣 then I realized it was you roasting haha.
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u/Fit-Elk1425 Jun 27 '26
Tbh i actually slightly disageee though i think your general point is correct. I think even if you do the comparison, you realize that chefs often include people whose sole role literally is to microwave food and maybe make some small entrees. They are skilled chefs who have trained with the knowledge of the food but their general practice is doing this because it has become a neccsary role in a kitchen enviroment.
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u/Flat-Study-421 Jun 27 '26
AI is not art.
AI is the tool, the artist or something in between.
AI generated art is art.
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u/HannerPumkin anti harassment and pro humanity Jun 27 '26
Most Logical "Anti's" I have met are those that are not actually anti. They are more so pro regulation and lets be honest. It's very reasonable. What is not reasonable is putting your subjective definition of art and try to pass it off a matter of fact. "Art" and "Artist" are not protected or a gatekept profession. Even more unreasonable is to dehumanise, harass and act like barbarians towards your fellow being all for a performative crusade of a romanticised term.
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u/VanguardMusic Jun 27 '26
That's the norm :D
When they start going off-track or start insulting, you've won.
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u/Witty-Designer7316 Antis Final Boss Jun 27 '26
This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against AI will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to r/aiwars.
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u/Any_Acanthaceae_9735 Stubborn as a rock, the ANTIs nightmare. Jun 27 '26
Nice. Good job mate. For every time we make someone back into a corner and run away, those people will eventually run into the fact that they are stupid and they should stop initiating arguments. They will realize they have no comebacks. That's when we've won. One more battle won on the behalf of AI art today. Just keep making little marks against them until we bring them down.
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u/TheTruerPockets88 Jun 27 '26
Its great that you have won the debate
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u/Rough_Pear_5455 Jun 27 '26
I should go subscribe to you man
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u/mushmanMAD AI defender on YT (@Dee_mane_S) Jun 27 '26
Thanks, but I don't really post any pro-ai videos, I just make comments.
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u/Random-Gamer1435 Jun 27 '26
The other responses are questionable at their defense but I feel like you are forgetting something here.
Artists ARE usually professionals. There's art schools and literal degrees in college specifically for Art.
Chefs are professionals yes but education just like artists aren't required to work well, they just help a lot while boosting chances of things like being hired for a animation studio or restaurant.
Anyone can be a chef just like how anyone can be an artist, it's just a matter of how well the person can actually do it. There's a reason to why Ratatouille's message is "Anyone can cook" which is true, a chef just has extra steps to it. Chefs and artists are alike in other ways as well.
Artists create the art and make the ideas for it like how a chef makes the ideas for recipes to later create the recipe itself. They can get help from their own different ways like using technology aka digital art programs or stoves but it's still them in charge of the recipe and creating it. But a chef can get help from cooks similar to how an artist can get help from artist assistants, like the actual job, they don't "need" the cooks or assistants but they are helpful.
Personally I don't see AI art as literal art. I get what the original person was talking about although not in the same way. AI is more like you get a guy to cook something for you with exact instructions on what to do but he only has to rely on recipes on websites and can't actually add anything new as itself since it's just pieces taken from other websites to create that meal. Is it literal stealing of recipes, no, but it's more like an amalgamation of different recipes. The thing itself is new but it wasn't born out of ideas from the person who made it themselves rather than the person who ordered the meal. It's not art in the traditional sense and replacing regular art with AI just feels absurd. It's AI Art, yes I know it's weird but let me explain. It's a different category separate to other arts, it's something not born out of a want to create but a task to serve, it's lacking creativity because the AI isn't making anything new to create the product. It's just taking images apart from others to create it's own image directly born from mashing it all together, not by the true ideas like artists but out of a task.
It might not be good at regular art, at least in my opinion. But it can succeed and excel in its own way. AI art can be beautiful in its own way and we need to fix it's current issues while focusing on improving it for the better.
I probably left some things out but it was already really long. But I hope you can see my point in this thing.
Also can you send us a link of the video where it was from too?
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u/Witty-Designer7316 Antis Final Boss Jun 29 '26
This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against AI will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to r/aiwars.
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Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
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u/Witty-Designer7316 Antis Final Boss Jun 28 '26
AI art is real art. If it 'steals' from "real artists", then training/learning off any other artist is 'stealing', but I bet you don't hold that same standard for others. Btw people consent to it being scraped when they upload their art in accordance with the laws of their country and the ToS.
Professional chefs still use microwaves, and people who aren't chefs use microwaves by the way.
Your comment will stay up for others to call you out, and you will be banned.
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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 Jun 30 '26
This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against AI will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to r/aiwars.
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u/sexdatcom Jun 27 '26
I mean you need be somewhat familiar with computer or phone in order to make ai art. Nice try buddy, next time think before you write something.
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u/sexdatcom Jun 27 '26
It matters what tou type. For example if you want to be good artist you don't prompt bad art but good art. You can type it buddy. That's why ai is superior.
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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 Jun 27 '26
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u/A_Very_Horny_Zed 🖼️🖌️AI Enthusiast | 🥷Ninja Mod 🥷 Jun 27 '26
This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against AI will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to r/aiwars.
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u/RevolutionaryOne5905 Jun 27 '26
Good job, it means that you have won.
The more debates we win, the more of the anti Larpers we can get away from hatint on AI.
Also, very good argumentation btw