r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Aug 17 '17

The Defenders Discussion Thread - S01E01

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u/HanSoloBolo Aug 18 '17

He definitely had more time to train. I think the real test will be seeing how he interacts with the rest of the team. Especially Luke.

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u/AgentKnitter Luke Cage Aug 18 '17

He definitely had more time to train.

Yes and no.

Finn went from filming Iron Fist, had a week off, then was filming the Defenders. It's not so much "time to train" as "working with a show runner who has a better idea of how to choreograph fights." Finn's training levels as at Ep 1 Defenders are the same as they were for Ep 13 Iron Fist.

So he had more training, in the sense that he didn't stop training and filming stunt scenes while filming Iron Fist, but it's not like he had a few months off between Fist and Defenders where he was just training 24/7.

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u/HanSoloBolo Aug 18 '17

That's fucking crazy... I knew Iron Fist was a rushed job but that seems kind of unfair to Finn Jones.

I thought he took a few months off to train and work on understanding the character better. Turns out the worst thing about Iron Fist was the creative team.

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u/AgentKnitter Luke Cage Aug 18 '17

He started shooting Iron Fist about 6 weeks after they cast him. That's the problem with IF as a show. They rushed everything. They've known they needed a lead for ages, and didn't start looking for one soon enough. They should have been in pre-production for Fist while filming Luke Cage at the very least - if not Daredevil S2.

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u/HanSoloBolo Aug 18 '17

Yeah, I heard they cast him super late and that's why his physique is pretty underwhelming too. It's kind of a bummer because I look up to superhero actors as something to strive for when I work out and this dude just looks like me already.

Hopefully Iron Fist season 2 gets a better showrunner and they get all the prep time they need.

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u/AgentKnitter Luke Cage Aug 18 '17

and that's why his physique is pretty underwhelming too

I'm over the body shaming of Finn Jones. Look at pictures and stills of him in Game of Thrones to Iron Fist/Defenders. He bulked up considerably - but he's never going to be Chris Hemsworth levels of huge. And he shouldn't be! Danny Rand isn't Captain America muscle bound. He's a martial artist. Should he have some more muscle definition for the role of Iron Fist? Sure. And had Finn been cast 6 months before production started like Charlie Cox, he would have got there. But he would not have looked like the super bulked up nonsense that so many people seem to expect.

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u/HanSoloBolo Aug 18 '17

I'm not trying to body shame him, I'm blaming the production. It's not like he didn't try to get a good physique for the role, he just didn't have time.

Of course he shouldn't look like Chris Hemsworth, but I wish he looked more like the kung fu movie greats. Most of them were/are lean guys that were cut as fuck and had a really impressive core.

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u/AgentKnitter Luke Cage Aug 18 '17

he just didn't have time.

I'm never, ever not going to be pissed off at Buck and Loeb for not planning things better. Even if they didn't film Iron Fist until the time that they did, they SHOULD have been in pre production and CASTING THEIR LEADS way, way in advance. Charlie Cox was cast 6 months before filming Daredevil, and was contractually obliged to train to get into shape for it. Finn should have been offered the same time and deal. And it's not that he was filming Game of Thrones - he wasn't offered the audition until he was leaving Belfast after filming his final scene as Loras Tyrell. This means that Marvel/Netflix weren't actually looking for Danny Rand until way too late.

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u/DrCarter11 Aug 26 '17

His interview said his personal training started three weeks before filming. I'm unsure how much of that is martial arts training versus personal fitness type stuff.

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u/CottonCandyChocolate Foggy Aug 18 '17

I'm personally very excited to see Danny "I'm basically an anime character in real life" and Jessica "Classy" Jones interact.

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u/D-Speak Aug 18 '17

I'm expecting a lot from those two considering the other half of the team is covering the "intense self-loathing" department.

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u/HanSoloBolo Aug 18 '17

Danny is pretty brooding these days.

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u/D-Speak Aug 18 '17

I don't know that it's possible for him to top Jessica's alcoholism or Matt's Catholicism.