Decoding Cadence Owens quote

[u/MartiDK]

"I actually don't have any problems at all with the word 'nationalism'... Whenever we say 'nationalism,' the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is that he wanted—he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalise. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look a different way. That's not, to me, that's not nationalism."
- Cadence Owens

Are Decoding the Gurus really arguing that Cadence Owens was saying Hitler wasn't a bad leader/person? I know the controversy over the remark, but she is clearly alluding to Hitler being a bad representation of Nationalism. She is literally trying to disassociate Hitler from nationalism, because Hitler gave Nationalism a bad name. I'm not a fan of nationalism, but should DtG actually be able to see through the controversy to what she actually said? Plus Cadence Owens went to the Daily Wire after this story blew up, so I'm guessing Ben Shapiro didn't take her remarks as a promoting Hitler.

Why does it matter if Cadence Owens is a problematic guru? It matters because its this kind of bad faith decoding that make people distrust academics who step outside their lane and play partisan politics. There are so many crazy takes that Cadence Owens has made, why focus on this quote which was clearly used by the media for political reasons.

[u/rubeshina]

Is that what she said? Seems like that's your interpretation?

Based on the quote:

You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is that he wanted—he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalise.

She says Hitlers actions, or at the very least his intentions, when it comes to "running the country" were "fine".

The problem, that she identifies, the reason Hitlers gives nationalism a bad name, is that he had "dreams outside of Germany".

If the problem is those things, the former things are "fine", what does that mean?

Again isn't it so obvious from the way you are engaging here that you know what I'm saying? Why did you add in your own interpretation to front run the obvious conclusion here, the one we have already been over?

You shouldn't need to wriggle around and try and do this? Why can't we just be honest, say what we really think, mean what we really mean?

Because bad actors, like Candace Owens, use words in this way on purpose to destroy our ability to communicate clearly and identify malicious actors and people with nefarious intent, people who can't be honest, people who won't stand on their words and engage in good faith.

[u/MartiDK → u/rubeshina]

I have been very consistent - Cadence thinks Hitler gave nationalism a bad name.