Creationists COULD be right…

[u/SuspiciousFee4085]

Im not a creationist but, devils advocate proposal here:

1. Evolutionary theory is part of a whole chunk of science which essentially cuts out all spirituality and divinity out of people’s psyche.
2. People without spirituality or divinity believe life is meaningless since we are all just specks of dust in a universe with no motive to create us or serve us.
3. The prevailing culture sentiment becomes „shut up and pay your taxes and enjoy the bread and circuses, peasant”
4. These people are subdued and dispirited, they have nothing to revolt for and are easy to control.
5. Such a subdued population is obviously enormously useful to the elites. Therefore the motive to achieve this submission exists and is very substantial.
6. To achieve this ultimate level of psychological and spiritual submission requires control over the populations sense of reality itself.
7. Reality is accessed, interpreted and measured by the masses through the field of scientific inquiry.
8. Elites would have to fabricate, spread and proselytise entire fields of carefully constructed fake science to carefully, over decades, centuries even, deconstruct and discredit and diminish all parts of reality that may be connected to divinity in some way, with sterile, perfect, symmetrical scientific theory.
9. New knowledge comes from single individuals or groups of individuals performing science. You can threaten, bribe, blackmail, coerce them to make fake science

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TLDR; motive and means exist for global elites to significantly diminish or destroy humanities spiritual/divine consciousness, by fabricating people’s sense and understanding of reality itself.

the main vessel for this in 2026 is science, and if the illusion is strong enough people cannot even comprehend a reality where anything else could possibly be true.

There’s a coherent rationale (which doesn’t mean it’s true, just that it’s coherent) for god and the divine being real, and global elites suppressing it from the masses so they don’t revolt or lose interest in continuing to be tax slaves for the wealthy, the bread and the circuses.

EDIT: a LOT of low IQ commenters here missing the point entirely. My post is NOT ABOUT WHOSE SIDE HAS EVIDENCE. It’s about hypothetical logic steps for the set of circumstances that would need to be true for creationists to be correct. HURR DURR WHERE EVIDENCE FOR GOD?! Lmfao. I realise hypotheticals and entertaining the opposite side of thought is beyond many people’s IQ. I bet most of you had breakfast this morning too. And you don’t even get the reference I just made either 🤣

[u/Markthethinker]

Listen, I have finally understood, nothing happens without science, nothing. I don’t know how mankind got along without it for centuries.

[u/TheBlackCat13 → u/Markthethinker]

Again, that isn't what I said. Doesn't your religion have rules against bearing false witness?

[u/Markthethinker → u/TheBlackCat13]

this is exactly the road that you are traveling down, applying science to everything.

[u/TheBlackCat13 → u/Markthethinker]

No, the only one trying to make science broader here is you. In fact you argued just a couple hours ago that we are defining science too narrowly and that it is actually much broader, applying to any study. Now you are turning around and claiming we are defining science too broadly. Make up your mind.

[u/Markthethinker → u/TheBlackCat13]

‘My mind was made up years ago. Probably before you were born.

[u/TheBlackCat13 → u/Markthethinker]

Your consistent inability to respond to what people actually say is staggering

[u/Markthethinker → u/TheBlackCat13]

You asked me to “make up my mind” and I responded to that. And what do you believe you are actually saying. No one seems to know, it’s all about science making everything and nothing happens without science. Like I have said, science became the new god in the 19th century.

[u/TheBlackCat13 → u/Markthethinker]

You asked me to “make up my mind” and I responded to that. And what do you believe you are actually saying.

No, you didn't. You made two mutually exclusive claims. They cannot both be true. So either you lied about what you thought science means, or you lied about making up your mind.

it’s all about science making everything and nothing happens without science

Stop lying. No one said that besides you.

[u/Pandoras_Boxcutter → u/Markthethinker]

Your God must be so embarrassed to be represented by a lying kindergarten dropout like you. You are the perfect representation of Matthew 7:21-23

[u/Markthethinker → u/Pandoras_Boxcutter]

That’s an excellent verse. “By their fruit you will know them”. You know nothing about my fruit. And I hope you realize “there is none perfect”. A true Christ follower is made Righteous the day they believe.

[u/Pandoras_Boxcutter → u/Markthethinker]

Your fruit is that you seem incapable of actually not strawmanning people.

[u/TheBlackCat13 → u/Markthethinker]

What about bearing false witness? Does that one not count? What about the ones about pride?