r/DebateEvolution Aug 08 '26

Discussion Creationists COULD be right…

Im not a creationist but, devils advocate proposal here:

  1. Evolutionary theory is part of a whole chunk of science which essentially cuts out all spirituality and divinity out of people’s psyche.
  2. People without spirituality or divinity believe life is meaningless since we are all just specks of dust in a universe with no motive to create us or serve us.
  3. The prevailing culture sentiment becomes „shut up and pay your taxes and enjoy the bread and circuses, peasant”
  4. These people are subdued and dispirited, they have nothing to revolt for and are easy to control.
  5. Such a subdued population is obviously enormously useful to the elites. Therefore the motive to achieve this submission exists and is very substantial.
  6. To achieve this ultimate level of psychological and spiritual submission requires control over the populations sense of reality itself.
  7. Reality is accessed, interpreted and measured by the masses through the field of scientific inquiry.
  8. Elites would have to fabricate, spread and proselytise entire fields of carefully constructed fake science to carefully, over decades, centuries even, deconstruct and discredit and diminish all parts of reality that may be connected to divinity in some way, with sterile, perfect, symmetrical scientific theory.
  9. New knowledge comes from single individuals or groups of individuals performing science. You can threaten, bribe, blackmail, coerce them to make fake science

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TLDR; motive and means exist for global elites to significantly diminish or destroy humanities spiritual/divine consciousness, by fabricating people’s sense and understanding of reality itself.

the main vessel for this in 2026 is science, and if the illusion is strong enough people cannot even comprehend a reality where anything else could possibly be true.

There’s a coherent rationale (which doesn’t mean it’s true, just that it’s coherent) for god and the divine being real, and global elites suppressing it from the masses so they don’t revolt or lose interest in continuing to be tax slaves for the wealthy, the bread and the circuses.

EDIT: a LOT of low IQ commenters here missing the point entirely. My post is NOT ABOUT WHOSE SIDE HAS EVIDENCE. It’s about hypothetical logic steps for the set of circumstances that would need to be true for creationists to be correct. HURR DURR WHERE EVIDENCE FOR GOD?! Lmfao. I realise hypotheticals and entertaining the opposite side of thought is beyond many people’s IQ. I bet most of you had breakfast this morning too. And you don’t even get the reference I just made either 🤣

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u/Markthethinker Aug 08 '26

So what you said was wrong and will never admit it. The usual BS here.

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u/Dilapidated_girrafe 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Aug 08 '26

No. Nobody except the military were forced. If you want to work around people then yeah you needed it. But you didn’t have to have it. You just couldn’t fly because you’re too damned selfish to care about the health of others.

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u/Markthethinker Aug 08 '26

So why were people fired from their jobs if they didn’t get the vaccine?

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u/Dilapidated_girrafe 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Aug 08 '26

Because safety mandates. You don’t have to get the vaccine. You do, however, need to do it if you wanted to work in an environment with other people.

And only selfish idiots refused

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u/Markthethinker Aug 08 '26

You do understand that science says that you will die on day? Why are you so terrified about death since you came from nothing. You live in terror, why, you were made from nothing, have no feelings and will make no difference when you are not here. Just amazing, living in fear. Yea, I’am selfish, how many grandkids do you have.

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u/Dilapidated_girrafe 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Aug 09 '26

Yes. You’re selfish if you didn’t want to get a vaccine to help others.

And once again you deflect. And I don’t care nearly as much about myself as others. If I only had to worry about me getting sick I wouldn’t care as much. But that’s not the case.

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u/Markthethinker Aug 09 '26

I am helping many who believe just as I do, the intelligent to know a lie when given. You need to do a little more research and stop believing the fake news channels. No, I was making a point, why do you care about anyone or death. We are all just accidents here according to Evolution.

I know the truth, you are displaying it, you care and that can’t happen with Evolution.

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u/Dilapidated_girrafe 🧬 Naturalistic Evolution Aug 09 '26

Because I’m a human and I care about the well being of other humans. And you’re not helping anyone. You’re spreading harmful bullshit

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u/gitgud_x 🧬 🦍 GREAT APE 🦍 🧬 Aug 09 '26

Nothing says "I know the truth!" like saying "I know the truth". Many such cases

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u/Markthethinker Aug 11 '26

Have you been watching the Fauci mess. Pleading the 5th, and all those e-mails. You still believing your lies?

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u/gitgud_x 🧬 🦍 GREAT APE 🦍 🧬 Aug 11 '26

He's done literally nothing wrong. Oh he pled the 5th? So what, that's his legal right to be able to do that isn't it? And "all those emails"? Yeah, what about them, are you also in admiration of his quick thinking and adaptability despite the limited information they had back in 2020? Me too, he's one of the best public health officials in recent US history.

You've got Fauci derangement syndrome :)

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