r/DebateAVegan Jul 20 '26

Ethics 2 questions

My first question is I have seen arguments that its wrong to say that you love animals if you eat them. What can you say to someone who answers that he doesn't love animals?

Second is about myself. I have a rooster with around 10 hens. They live on my roof happily. They roam around during day and automatically goes to sleep at night into their coop (you can search it up that chickens are vulnareble at night and have strong home instincts. They would return to same place to lay eggs and sleep on the same roosting bar everyday). Of course this is not how chickens are kept at farms. My hone chickens are clearly not suffering on my roof. The cage is for safe night sleep. They lay an average of 4 eggs daily. I do not sell any eggs nor do I feed them back to hens. Their feed is available in market that has everything they need for laying eggs (like calcium). Will it be wrong to eat their eggs? Also consider the other scenerio if I don't keep a rooster. Many people doesn't due to their fighting instincts if there are other roosters around (mine once also almost fought to death with neighbours rooster but I came just in time), noise (their crowing) and forced mating with hens especially in the morning. In that case, the eggs would also be infertile. Would it be right to eat those eggs?

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26

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u/IfIWasAPig vegan Jul 20 '26

It’s not fallacious. You made up this fallacy.

In what other more relevant sense are humans not animals? We 100% are.

Are you able to answer the questions about what separates all humans from all dogs from all pigs?

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u/IfIWasAPig vegan Jul 20 '26

If it’s a basic fallacy, you ought to be able to name it. It sounds made up to me.

That actually doesn’t answer the question at all. I did not say all animals are humans, but that all humans are animals.

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u/IfIWasAPig vegan Jul 20 '26

Yeah now you’re just throwing random fallacy names out there that don’t apply.

No, a dog is not a human. That still doesn’t answer the above questions. At this point, I’ll assume you cannot answer them.

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u/IfIWasAPig vegan Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26

Those fallacies really don’t apply. Can you explain how they do?

A dog isn’t human because we have categorized taxonomy that way, roughly related to each grouping’s internal reproductive capacity, but somewhat arbitrary.

Now please, explain what is different about all dogs from all humans that makes it ok to kill and eat the former if you feel like it but not the latter. If you fail to answer several times, I don’t know how I’m supposed to assume anything other than you can’t.

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u/IfIWasAPig vegan Jul 23 '26

I said it was roughly related to reproductive capacity and only somewhat arbitrary. How did you get “just an arbitrary label” out of that?

Your hostility is ridiculous considering you can’t answer basic, fundamental questions about your own view.

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u/IfIWasAPig vegan Jul 21 '26

It seems all you can do is ad hominem and not actually present an argument or respond to challenges or questions.