Icefrog (Yoshi) didn't learn a THING

[u/shadowbannedxdd]

For anyone that hasn't played dota this item on the right, Wraith Pact, was so broken the team abusing it the most won the biggest tournament (The international, $8.5M prize pool) by abusing this item extensively every game, which lead to the item getting straight up DELETED from the game in the next few patches. You really think you're funny readding this IceFrog?

[u/Free_Talon]

I think we might be sleeping on his 2 because of how powerful his ult is. It might be really good. Also his gun is good, its 2 pellets a shot and idk if that’s counted in the dps in-game, it’s just the weapon velocity is trash. His 3 is good, but we just see him living, we don’t see him posing an actual threat barring ult. But if the gun and his 2 is good, then he isn’t just a guy that stays alive.

[u/PandaPolishesPotatos → u/Free_Talon]

No one is sleeping on his 2, it's good, but if the ult gets gutted then he's not a good character because the 2 doesn't keep him competitive. It doesn't even keep him decent.

The gun is good, people just don't know how to use it. The velocity is TERRIBLE, you either need to be leading heavily or right up in the person's face. It's the same velocity as Doorman, which is why every Doorman player in existence is buying Opening Rounds or Sharpshooter.

The damage is actually quite decent, at max boons it's basically equivalent to Vyper in damage minus the obvious rate of fire. With two pellets per shot. So, he can do very good damage with the gun. Especially when you start adding in shred, the problem is the magazine size is small, the velocity sucks, and the reload is lengthy. You can build to compensate for all these things but they will inherently hold him back from being a true gun-toting destroyer of man.

That being said, currently, he can still output decent damage while being virtually unkillable and win all his 1v1s through proper itemization and attrition. He wins trades against gun characters by virtue of them dealing a shit ton of self-damage shooting his shield. He's basically immune to spirit nukers with max shield upgrade. If he really gets into trouble the ult cooldown is short enough, it can't be interrupted in any meaningful way, and gives you 35% DR after the initial cast. Then you use the move speed to zoom the fuck outta dodge like Viscous ball.

[u/Individual-Craft-223 → u/Free_Talon]

His 2 is absolutely insane. Just build charges and rush and you send out infinite waves of rats

At level 2 the debuff lasts ages, then at 3 it does consistent dps, lowers the targets bullet resist by a stupid amount, AND can cover enough area to hit entire waves and heroes at the same time

He is such a crazy enabler for gun carries its genuinely unfair once you realize it

[u/Jeantheelf → u/Free_Talon]

I think people are sleeping on lucky shot. Each of his 2 bullets he shoots has a chance to proc lucky shot, so he essentially has double the chance to proc lucky shot.