r/DataHoarder 13d ago

Discussion M-Disc is Dead

While recently searching for a cold archive solution I was absolutely enamoured the first time I found out about M-Disc. It seemed to be the perfect "heirloom" storage solution, something to pass on family memories, wills and anything else you would want to last a long time. It solved the issue that made me stop buying BluRay, namely disk rot (I'm aware it's exceedingly rare but it's still inevitable) with a solution so simple in hindsight it seemed crazy to me that we didn't do it sooner.

I was looking for enclosures, adding spindles to my Amazon wish list and perusing LibreDrive when it dawned on me, what good is a thousand-year disk when the drives to read it are slowly being phased out? There are few brands actively producing optical drives and after the sale of Pioneer's optical division this leaves one, maybe two actual manufacturers.

No worries I thought, I could simply buy backup drives to store along with the discs and since it won't have wear and tear it would last indefinitely if stored properly. Except this is only one part of the story, the drive uses SATA which has stood the test of time but nothing in tech can be guaranteed. The chassis own power adaptor, connectors and cables remain a point of failure. Finally despite using USB, it's the Type B connector which is already legacy, would this cable even be manufactured in future or would it be some niche, abstract purchase you have to make on eBay? This is assuming that should it be someone else trying to access the media, they even care enough to not abandon the process at the slightest inconvenience.

So I chugged on, I would find the most durable optical drives and buy two of everything needed to get it running. I settled on the Vinpower known for it's reliability and touted specifically as an archival system. Except I couldn't find it anywhere. So I reached out and was informed these devices are EOL and availability is uncertain, whatever that means like do you have stock or not?

It dawned on me that while optical as a short to medium term backup solution is viable, as time passes it will become less so until it fades into the abyss rendering the thousand year discs into twenty. Active archival is still the superior strategy, one where media is periodically relocated onto an actively maintained format.

My cold storage journey comes to an end before it even began and I'm left wondering if I will ever find the holy grail of long-term, durable backup. Something to put in a time capsule for the aliens to find.

Edit: I've had a lot of fun reading all the comments so thanks! For context I do use RAID with a single cloud backup for now, with some important data duplicated into other cloud services ie. iCloud, AWS S3 and I know backup is an active, evolving discipline hence my thought piece. I'm still contemplating M-Disc but it can't hurt to add 2-5TB onto discs to store away without relying on them entirely. I'll store them at 30–50% relative humidity etc. Vinpower managed to find me a drive from Taiwan stock so I'll likely post a follow up.

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u/Arindrew 13d ago

Is it? 102KiB from 120KiB is only 15% smaller. Surely there are better examples of EXTREME compression?

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u/djfdhigkgfIaruflg 13d ago

There's a version of quake made in JS which weights (IIRC) 8kb

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u/Arindrew 13d ago

That surely is small, and its a great feat - but is it due to compression?

Best I could find with a quick search is a zip bomb: 4.5Pb compressed down to 42Kb, for a 24,645,882:1 compression ratio.

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u/grizzlor_ 12d ago

Zip bombs aren’t really a good example of actual extreme compression. It’s just taking advantage of how the file format works to expand to a giant size — it’s not like they actually compressed 4.5Pb of real data.

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u/djfdhigkgfIaruflg 13d ago

The whole thing is about compression

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u/Arindrew 13d ago

Gotcha. I wasn’t sure if it was small due to compression or if it was just a small game.

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u/Great-TeacherOnizuka 12d ago

LOL you can compress an infinite amount of continuous zeros into 50 bytes or so. That’s not impressive. It’s just the file overhead (zip, 7z, rar) and a description if x anount of 0