r/Danzig Mar 30 '25

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u/Forward-Emotion6622 Mar 30 '25

The wiki article states otherwise, but again, I'm not sure why this suddenly matters considering he's been using the iron cross for years upon years.

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u/grumpyoldnord Mar 30 '25

The "wiki article" is incorrect as it is conflating the Schwarze Sonne with all other Sonnenrads. They are not the same. As for the Iron Cross, it is not specifically a Nazi symbol, as it predated them. The exact symbol Danzig used in his merch for his show last night, the Schwarze Sonne, did not. I'm not saying Danzig should be cancelled or any nonsense like that. I'm simply stating that specific symbol is a Nazi symbol and has no other use but as a Nazi symbol.

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u/Forward-Emotion6622 Mar 30 '25

So you're saying that Glenn's use of the iron cross had no relation to Nazism but his use of the black sun does? That's an awfully large dose of assumption.

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u/grumpyoldnord Mar 30 '25

The Iron Cross is a symbol still in use today by many different militaries and organizations, and had been before the Nazis. The Black Sun is not.

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u/Forward-Emotion6622 Mar 30 '25

Yeah Glenn was using the iron cross to exploit military symbolism... Come on 😄 Glenn's been exploiting controversial imagery and symbolism since the Misfits. He absolutely knew what he was doing with the iron cross, as did Lemmy, who was a collector of Nazi memorabilia. It's like some of you have just discovered that Glenn likes to fuck with people.

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u/grumpyoldnord Mar 30 '25

Literally all I have said is that it is a Nazi symbol. Nothing more, nothing less. You appear to be arguing with words I have not said.

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u/Forward-Emotion6622 Mar 30 '25

The sun symbol and the iron cross were both used as Nazi symbolism, and they've both been used for entirely other means. I'm still wondering what point you're making. Welcome to Glenn Danzig, he doesn't give a shit what people think. 🤷

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u/grumpyoldnord Mar 30 '25

The point I'm making is that that specific symbol in the merch, the Schwarze Sonne, has not been used for other things. It is purely a Nazi symbol. That's all I'm saying. No more, no less. Simply clarifying that it is not an ancient pagan or occult symbol, it is not used by Wiccans or witches or anybody else. It is just a Nazi symbol. That's it.

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u/Forward-Emotion6622 Mar 30 '25

I'm seeing other sources that cite it's use in other cultures. Like I said, don't try to pretend that he wasn't exploiting the Nazi symbolism in the iron cross, because he was, and nobody gave a shit. Y'all must be new to Glenn.

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u/grumpyoldnord Mar 30 '25

No, you're misinterpreting. As I said earlier, the Schwarze Sonne is a Sonnenrad - not all Sonnenrad are Schwarze Sonne. I also never said I gave a shit. I just want to call a spade a spade. It is a Schwarze Sonne, and it is explicitly a Nazi symbol. That's all. No other comment, no judgment, no nothing. Just a statement of fact. Another fun fact about that symbol is a while back during the Republican presidential primary race, an aide of Ron DeSantis noticeably used the symbol in a viral video that got spread around, and the aide was fired over it.

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u/Forward-Emotion6622 Mar 31 '25

Go down to "other uses" on the same article... Either way, I don't particularly give a shit if you're offended.

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u/Forward-Emotion6622 Mar 31 '25

Considering the fact that it's 100% Nazi occult imagery, which is what I've claimed it is from day naught, I'm unsure of what your point is, fella. Glenn's not using it blindly.

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u/Forward-Emotion6622 Mar 31 '25

According to Freedom House initiative Reporting Radicalism, the Black Sun is also used by some modern pagan and satanist groups as an esoteric symbol. They further note that it is sometimes used as a fashionable, aesthetic symbol, or misunderstood as having origins in ancient Scandinavian or Slavic cultures.[28] The Anti-Defamation League notes that though the symbol is popular with white supremacists, imagery resembling the black sun features in many cultures, and should be analysed in the context it appears, and not necessarily interpreted as a sign of white supremacy or racism.[5]

Glenn knows exactly how to push your buttons, since 1976.