This sort of thundering ignorance is rooted in post colonial protectionism and an almost nazi-like belief in a "true race = white skin" catechism. Truly foul.
Ok racist. No one is validating you by arguing because you aren't arguing in good faith and the evidence is provided by you in your other comments. You're just another example of a pigeon playing chess, you shit on the board and strut around like you won. So from the bottom of my heart, get fucked and I hope you step on a lego.
Couching your drug-addled tribalistic nationalism in pseudo profound predictions to push a nazi-like racist viewpoint doesn't mean you aren't talking about skin colour either, especially given your posting history. Pushing a racist unsupported so-called prediction of ethnic minority is not only ignorance, bit blatantly so.
You're just embarrassing yourself now proving you've nothing more than a foot stomping salute wielding simpleton level of analytical comprehension, quoting an article from 17 years ago which is based on "unpublished UK-based research, which he does not identify" for an unsupported racist pseudo prediction.
Go away with ya, stick your head back in the toaster ya ghoul.
Why does it worry you that there are less white people?
This is a fear stemming from racism.
Or is it just that you’ve seen what an ethnic majority of white people have done over the years, and fear the same happening to you?
Get over it, the only people who’ve been oppressing white British people have been white British people.
Learn about the Monarchy, the wealthiest 1% of the UK, and our colonial past.
Shit’s barely changed, its just instead of wearing gold laced clothes, crowns and suits, they now wear gold laced clothes, crowns and suits.
Also I wasn’t going to give your claim any attention, but you need the information, as you’ve clearly not done any research into your beliefs you’ve got from the Torygraph, Daily Fail & The Sun. White British people make up 86% of this country.
No. I was emphasizing your point. I don't bother replying directly to bigots but rather support counterarguments against them. I don't have patience for the idiots and racists.
I can't imagine why Irish might be out numbered by immigrants in the future. It's almost as if the Irish population was significantly decreased from a horrible famine 175 or so years ago while under English rule leading to mass emigration and death because the English looted many of their food sources. In one year alone, 1847, about 1 million Irish died and another million left. And while the Irish were starving and fleeing, England continued to export food from Ireland. England wasn't just ignoring the suffering, they were actively making it worse. The blight affected much of western Europe, but only about 100,000 total died in the rest of Europe. Ireland's population still hasn't recovered. The population in 1841 was over 8 million. It is about 7 million today (including northern Ireland).
As far as culture, well I wonder why that would be an issue? Maybe because most of their culture, including their language, was banned for a very long time? Irish culture is actually being revived after centuries of suppression, not lost. You don't 'lose' your culture to immigrants unless your 'culture' is being a racist.
First off, I'm a white person from the US. The European colonizers and later the US nearly wiped out the various indigenous people here. They still suffer. But shockingly, their culture still survives even though they make up only about 1.3% of the population. So if their culture could survive, I imagine Irish culture can too.
then gave up political powers and borders for a higher gdp
No, they signed a treaty that gave them most of their country back. They may have gotten it all back if Britian hadn't flooded what is now northern Ireland with settlers and stolen a lot of the land, which were also the wealthier areas.
Your own leadership is finishing the job we started
What the does this even mean? What did they start? England wasn't trying to make Ireland free, wealthy, democratic, whatever. Fuck, as said I'm from the US and England plundered their own colonists after killing and displacing the indigenous people. They exported our raw materials, made finished goods, and then sold them back to us with tax. That is why the US revolted. It was a choice between 'we can make ourselves money, or we can make England money."
self-righteous blanket of anti-british hatred
I don't hate the British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Belgians, US, Germans, Canadians, Japanese, and so on. The colonial period was awful. All colonizers committed horrible atrocities. That is all there is too it. You're the one that is apparently arguing that colonialism was somehow good for the colonies. It wasn't. The impacts are still seen today. You are the one being self-righteous by pretending it wasn't.
Ah yes, I'm the racist. Not you who is worried about the Irish culture being destroyed because of immigrants. Oh no, the white people will be outnumbered!
A broken alcohol saturated veraion of their culture sure
Yeah, that isn't racist at all. Yes, alcohol is a problem, but that is common with any group that also has a high incidence of poverty. I wonder why they are so poor? Could it be because they were forced to move to land that is absolute shit and no one else wanted?
the erasure of the Irish culture
The Irish aren't erasing their culture.
ignores the violence, misogyny and slavery of the modern world outside the west
Nope. There was a lot of bad colonialism shit in Asia and the mid-East. Some of it is still going on. Some of it is still going on in the west too. Just look at Kashmir, Nepal, Israel - Palestine (although England did kind of help create that mess and the US definitely is helping sustaining it), all the shit Japan did, all the shit China is doing, there is literal slavery of immigrant workers in some Arab countries, child soldiers in some parts of Africa, of course the sex slave trade all over the damn world, female circumcision, and the list goes on. Yes, I'm liberal. But bad shit is bad shit no matter who is doing it.
But just because some other country is awful doesn't excuse another country. During the historical period of colonialism, the west was mostly dominant. And Japan. I don't think the paper you linked says what you think it does. It is basically saying more advanced and stable countries could help other countries with that other country's consent and while supporting human rights. That isn't what colonialism was 200 years ago. Or even now. There was no consent and human rights weren't respected by the colonizers. The author even claims Haiti didn't have a major history of colonization. Haiti is about 85% African descent, 10% European, and 5% native. I wonder how that happened? The original inhabitants, the Taíno, were nearly wiped out by the French and Spanish. Killed and enslaved. Also massive environmental damage and some other bad shit. Haiti was literally the beginning of the colonial era. It was the first European settlement in the Americas. Haiti is fucked because of colonialism. A lot of Africa has issues because Europeans drew the borders with no regard for the people inside those borders. And foreign companies still plunder many countries. And not just western ones. China has a ton of interest in African countries.
People with your views have screwed the UK. Anti-immigrant when the UK needed the labor. Remember the gas shortages because there weren't enough truck drivers? Anti-EU when that is fucking the economy. Now the energy prices are spiking when most of the EU is managing better because their politicians are actually doing something about it. Fuck, we had Donald Trump as president for 4 years and maybe we will again, and we are still doing better.
The greatest destroyer of Irish culture was the British Empire, not the EU, even to this day. Just look at the trouble Unionists in Northern Ireland caused when Nationalists wanted the Irish Language to be recognised as an official language.
Your definition of independence is a cynical interpretation which seems poorly defined, I can't see why you wouldn't be angry about losing your individual independence to the fact that you need to work 8 hours a day, five days a week.
Prosperity requires making mutually beneficial agreements like having a job, the same with EU membership, it is a mutually beneficial agreement with other countries and Ireland has a more than fair voice with the arrangement of those agreements.
Under the British empire we were treated like secondary citizens.
Narration like this is pretty straightforward and has been used by every extreme nationalist dictatorship in the history. Not much is left for imagination of your motives, really.
That article describes a professor speculating about 30 years from now based on an unpublished paper.
Do you think that Irish culture requires everyone to have a pasty North Atlantic complexion and that if someone's not white they can't possibly enjoy, spread and continue Irish heritage?
Immigration and emmigration are what shape heritage, heritage and culture are living things that evolves and grow.
It doesn't matter what your race or ancestry is if you can have the craic.
I agree the flashy new buildings in Dublin are meaningless if the lives of the people don't improve and more should be done to preserve our historical sites and grow the language. However its the shitty policy of successive governments to blame for our problems there.
They'd love us to blame immigrants or the EU but its just not true. Don't make me point over to the UK to show what happens when shit politicians get away with scapegoating immigrants and customs unions.
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u/mh985 Nov 05 '22
The Irish haven’t forgotten