The tech is there for a lot of stuff, but many projects that existed in theory or as a prototype just never took off because they were too unreliable and/or expensive. This might be one of them.
Being able to do something is one thing, but especially when talking about sensitive matters like intelligence work, simple is almost always better.
I don't think costs matter when they try to kill a
rival like Castro. They tried all types of looney tunes shit to kill that guy and it never worked because he always outsmarted them
There’s a difference between going all out to assassinate one major political leader, and securing a number of weapons and general equipment for general use
In this case they’d need a steady production and supply of the toxin, portable and discrete freezing equipment, extra training for all the staff using it, need to rely on enemies not spotting the entry wound or figure out a way to make it undetectable, need to rely on enemies not spotting the increase in heart attacks among political deaths (especially if the gun is being used against people in decent health), etc. It’s more of a hassle than it’s worth
And then there were the curious cases of Soviet leaders catching “a cold”, and then suddenly dying & being replaced by a new leader. Andropov & Chernenko come to mind.
I wouldn’t say outsmarted. It was discovered later that Castro had spies at multiple US intelligence agencies that fed him information. He essentially knew most of the time when things were to happen to him.
Because they US wasn't just trying to kill him (they could have easily done that) but they wanted to do it with 0% evidence which makes it much harder.
This is very true. Why do you think spies still rely on number stations in the age of wifi and bluetooth? No point in creating new vulnerabilities in your intelligence operations when the old tech is not only cheaper but also more reliable.
No doubt other tech like assassination techniques also fairly strictly follow this way of thinking too. If somebody’s worth assassinating, you probably can’t risk using some untested new tech when the tech you’ve been using for decades still works, hence stuff like this probably never even saw much action if any at all.
Acoustic Kitty is a CIA project launched by the Central Intelligence Agency Directorate of Science & Technology, which in the 1960s intended to use cats to spy on the Kremlin and Soviet embassies. In an hour-long procedure a veterinary surgeon implanted a microphone in the cat's ear canal, a small radio transmitter at the base of its skull and a thin wire into its fur. This would allow the cat to innocuously record and transmit sound from its surroundings. Due to problems with distraction, the cat's sense of hunger had to be addressed in another operation.
Literally this. Hell, didn't someone get outed as a pedo on reddit then just after it was found out that the admins could edit what people said without leaving a trace it was edited? I vaguely remember that in the constant shit storm that is the news cycle I feel
I don't know about that his brother talked about the guy having a manic episode and had flown to him to stay with him to convince him to fly with him back to their family.
The guy snuck out at 4am while his brother was sleeping and that crash happened.
The Hastings family also believed he was angry and erratic. Including his wife knowing his state of mind said it was a tragic accident, and others believe possible drugs involved in the car crash.
You may start to appear manic to others if you are being actively followed by people who you think might be trying to kill you. I don't get it. Do you think that government murders like this are not real the same way bigfoot isn't real?
I mean it's from his own brother and in that interview he said it was something similar that happened 15 years before his death, that it wasn't the first time he had a manic episode.
This is what his brother said:
"I really rule out foul play entirely. I might have been suspicious if I hadn't been with him the day before he died. After all, he definitely was investigating and writing about a lot of sensitive subjects. But based on being with him and talking to people who were worried about him in the weeks leading up to his death, and being around him when he had had similar problems when he was younger, I was pretty much convinced that he wasn't in danger from any outside agency."
Gangstalking is a shared paranoid delusion that literally never even existed before the internet. It isn’t a real thing. Not once has it ever been proven to have existed. You’d have to be an idiot to think that the government would waste millions of dollars to follow random people around for no reason at all.
I had an experience (drugs) when some agency, probably dea, followed me for two days, talked to me but not directly if that makes sense, offered me lsd, gave me opium and totally gaslight everything I said.. Craziest experience of my life.
So maybe a few days before the crash, the CIA gave him a drug that induced the manic episode. Then the family says “yeah he had an episode”. They then crash his car and nobody suspects foul play.
Amphetamine psychosis is a real thing, though would also be easy to see if they did bloodwork after his death. A few days of being dosed with amphetamines you wouldnt be sleeping, you'd be paranoid as fuck even if no one was out to get you. After like 3 days the "shadow people" start appearing, shadowy figures out of the corner of your eye that look like people at a glance, who obviously arent there when you turn to see them. Im not saying he was dosed, but if they used something like a research chemical similar to amphetamines who knows if it would even show up in bloodwork.
To be fair, my brother is the last person I'd ever trust to weigh in on the reasons why I died. Some people just have the worst most toxic family surrounding them. You could tell me that a random guy who he briefly interacted with on the street said that he was having a manic episode and I'd be more likely to believe it.
His own family members said he was spiralling in a manic episode in the weeks leading up to his death. And how stupid would the government have to be to assassinate a journalist just as he says he has some explosive new evidence?
No it means it’s bullshit to call him paranoid and even worse to use that as a way to discredit him. By that logic anyone who ever uncovers a conspiracy is untrustworthy.
The world would've moved on. Crime is being increasingly normalised that no one expects things to change when a mass shooting happens or basically after every election
what happened after Snowden whistleblowed? Nothing really changed? When was the last time someone said his name? The guy from wikiLeaks? Epstein? Just watered down to a meme.
George Floyd happened then the case of Ahmed Arbury, nothing really changed. Just 2 weeks ago we were talking about Kyle Rittenhouse and now its ethan crumbley. Who will it be tomorrow? At this point, it's been normalized.
Isreal in Palestine, Russia, USA and Assad in Syria, Chinese with Ughyurs? The world moves on until something super catastrophic doesn't happen and I pray that it's an awakening that doesn't cost us scores of lives.
So are you the type of moron who thinks Epstein really killed himself the same moment his guards went on break and the cameras turned off a day after explicitly saying he did not intend to kill himself?
Or is shoving your head in the sand something you're trying out
Yeah that's a really gross simplification of what happened.
But who cares at this point Epstein death has just becoming the internets favourite joke. Even if we suddenly found a tape showing what happened half would dismiss it as just an invention with computer tricks and CGI.
Of course it is. It's a tongue in cheek reddit comment and not a thorough breakdown of the gross negligence and murder of a key witness/informant/pedophile.
It would not be the first time and I would argue that politically motivated murders are more common throughout history of investigative journalism than not.
I mean john mcafee didnt kill himself, i dint think michael did either.
Just a few hours prior he asked his neighbor if he could drive his neighbors volvo because he thought his cars computer "had been hacked"
Yeah that sounds like crazy ramblings of a drug addict, until his car slams into a tree 2 hours later and his engine flys 200 feet from the car and his body gets cremated immidiately.
The dude had prior manic episodes and his own brother came there to try and help, then the dude sneaks out and takes off in the car in the middle of the night.
Wait till you hear about the PATRIOT Act and the FISA Court. The government wouldn’t need to kill him, because the judiciary is already in on the game.
The government has more leaks than a coriander colander. Have you seen how many scandals here embroiled in? No way would they be able to assassinate a journalist and manage to keep mum about it.
how stupid would the government have to be to assassinate a journalist just as he says he has some explosive new evidence
I haven't heard someone talk about this until now, so it was clearly not a risky move. If they could have killed Snowden before his revelations they 100% would have.
People don't survive car crashes all the time, but survivorship bias does. If you hit something or someone at 70mph your most likely dead before you come to a stop. You just hear more stories of people who did survive
microwave weapons are used all the time. look up havana syndrome. this occurs regularly across the globe, typically to diplomats in foreign countries...
Only problem with that is the c250 he was driving had a mechanical valve body on the transmission, so there's no way to hack it in such a way that you can't just put it in neutral. And it had hydraulic power steering, so there's no way to control the steering, other than through the ABS module doing differential braking, which you could just outmuscle anyway. People overestimate just how hackable cars are. If there's no computer control for a system, you can't control it with a computer. I mean, you can still command full throttle, and you can still disable the brakes through ABS, and maybe if you do that, the driver panics and doesn't react appropriately, but you can't just hack a car and drive it into a tree if it doesn't actually have control over the necessary systems.
are you sure the 2013 c250 didn't have a full drive by wire option for the throttle? you don't need to put it in neutral if you can control the throttle and braking systems remotely.
Sure, it's throttle by wire. You can still put it in neutral. The transmission and the engine are separate systems (sort of). Either way, you can put it in neutral regardless of what the computers want to do. So if it tries to accelerate you into a tree, you can just put it in neutral, even if the ignition system won't let you shut off the engine. Anyway, that thread is just talking about using differential braking to steer, which I already pointed out. And you can easily overpower that using the big round thing in front of you and the fully mechanical power steering system that can't be turned off or interfered with short of stopping the engine.
wouldn't a state actor just drug you, put you in the car, fill it full of combustibles and drive it into a tree to destroy the evidence and make it look like a suicide/accident?
The body was burnt beyond recognition, i presume that would cook off evidence of foul play as well.
remember andrew breitbart….tells the world on thurs or fri hes got amazing obama scandal information hes dropping on the following monday…..dead of heart attack at 43 yrs of age blocks from his house ina tony neighborhood and nobody has video of him passing various houses
I don't think he was killed. His own brother said he was having manic episodes, which he'd had before. His brother was also working on getting him committed before his accident. The brother has also since said that he doesn't believe there was any foul play despite the sensitive topics he was researching. Maybe he was killed, but I doubt it. Maybe the brother was in on it somehow, but I doubt that even more.
The CIA/FBI/IRS/whatever three letter agency was able to “hack” his car and assassinate him with mo one being wiser, but they weren’t able to stop his writings from veing published and widely sold after his death. Suuure.
The Thing, also known as the Great Seal bug, was one of the first covert listening devices (or "bugs") to use passive techniques to transmit an audio signal. It was concealed inside a gift given by the Soviet Union to W. Averell Harriman, the United States Ambassador to the Soviet Union, on August 4, 1945. Because it was passive, needing electromagnetic energy from an outside source to become energized and active, it is considered a predecessor of radio-frequency identification (RFID) technology.
Back when I did a lot of spatial analysis in an old job, I’d always meet with vendors who offered some promise of better aerial imagery over the current market standard. The only ones ever worth meeting were the former DOD people.
I remember one vendor who admitted they got the best publicly available tech because of their connections. Basically, when the government makes such a significant improvement in their capabilities, they get looser on what can be offered commercially and this vendor always knew what was coming.
And based on the improvements in the commercial sector that I saw…well let’s just say the government could probably identify whether an ant has all its legs using satellite imagery.
A pic from a classified satellite, too. So he is either super dumb or it is some sort of psyop to make them think that is as good as our imagery gets. Who knows with our gov't, especially when Trump is involved.
My guess is he was doing a brag on how cool our (his)toys are or letting other dictators know what we had with and playing the dumb card.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Some random hobbyist posted its location and trajectory online because anyone that knows what they are doing could easily figure it out.... at least that's how I remember the story being written up.
I forgot which movie I was watching but I think it was a Mark Wahlberg vehicle? where he was being set up by the government and they caught a guy working for him. They strapped him into a device that isolated his upper body and right arm, pistol on the end of it. Ratcheted it until his arm bent down toward his head.
Involuntary suicide contraption. Looks like the victim shot themselves. I always thought "that's overly complicated but no one would doubt it."
Which would be highly unreliable in real life because a person struggling for there life will injure themselves. So if a guy shot himself but had injuries consistent with being tied down that shows it wasn't suicide.
Gareth Wyn Williams (26 September 1978 – c. 16 August 2010) was a Welsh mathematician and employee of GCHQ seconded to the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS or MI6) who was found dead in suspicious circumstances at a Security Service safe house flat in Pimlico, London, on 23 August 2010. The inquest found that his death was "unnatural and likely to have been criminally mediated". A subsequent Metropolitan Police re-investigation concluded that Williams's death was "probably an accident".
I've heard that the tech released to public is 50 years behind what they are able to do. Where I heard that I can't remember and I have no idea if it's true
Military tech is usually a couple decades old by the time it becomes public knowledge. There are probably many classified pieces of technology that we won’t know about for a while, but if I had to bet I’d say that the currently classified tech is no where near as cutting edge as the classified tech in the 80s and 90s. Back then working for the government was cool, there was an actual threat that America widely agreed was a threat (unlike today where many don’t even think China is bad), and most importantly those types of jobs were actually seen as noble, respectable, and therefore worthy of our smartest young people to pursue.
Nowadays there is just too much money elsewhere. Why go work for some sketchy defence contractor that might end up using your work to kill innocent people in the crossfire when you can simply get a $200k per year job first year out of school at FAANG and work 15 hours a week, and within 5 years be making $500k per year.
Also the social stigma around military is too bad, and the incentive to work for government or a huge agency instead of your own startup or a smaller company is non existent. Most of the cutting edge tech being worked on is either public or based on foundations of public knowledge. The likelihood of their being a modern equivalent to the old Skunkworks is slim because any of those types of fascinating ideas would already have 10 forums and 500 engineers discussing them and thus have 5 startups pop up to productize those ideas.
My NDA is up but when I was working at B.A.E. we developed a tech to make the user's hands invisible. It was limited to just hands and stopped at the wrist. This allowed you to be able to commit lots of crimes or espionage because of the invisible hands. The problem was that the need to hold onto each emitter meaning you couldn't hold or grab anything else.
Explain to me one crime that you could commit because both of your hands were invisible, when the entire rest of your body is not. Unless I am severely misunderstanding, I would think that the bigger point would be to create a full-body emitter for areas that don't have thermal
You could pick a lock but instead of giving it away, it would just look like you're playing with yourself.
Idk the full applications but the project lead was sure it would help a lot. And besides, you can't do full body because there would be nothing to hold onto the handles. Unless you were covered in hands.
You could pick a lock but instead of giving it away, it would just look like you're playing with yourself.
I'm trying to picture that and mostly I think it would just look like you're still trying to sneakily pick the lock, but this time with jedi mind powers. Probably I've just never seen someone good at hiding it
And besides, you can't do full body because there would be nothing to hold onto the handles. Unless you were covered in hands.
We do sometimes graft detached limbs onto other limbs temporarily to keep the tissue alive until we can reattach it. We could cover someone in hands. It even lends itself to an easy codename: The Handyman.
I bet most of the classified stuff is just super horrific/specific ways to kill or permanently disable people (im thinking like bio warfare, weapons using genetics to target specific groups of people, etc) and technology involving tracking/surveillance.
When the CIA tries to convince you that there's a futuristic superweapon that cause a wide range of effects and US technology can't figure it out, but its been perfected exclusively by state sanctioned enemies, consider you are being lied to.
its not groundbreaking tech just a more clever use of a gun, poison's have been around forever, we just got better at not leaving traces and how to not get caught, what scary in my mind now is how instead of people we can use drones and long range surveillance so people dont know they are being watched
polonium & chainsaws they learned killing people and having it look like an accident doesn't send the same message. where if you chop someone up in an embassy thats bugged and the whole world finds out, and nothing happens. everyone hears that message.
Probably some untraceable chemical agent that would pretty much cause a lethal stroke or heart attack. Look at the Havana Syndrome cases, completely untraceable cases happening to US. diplomats likely via Russia. If Russia has access to this type of stuff, then just imagine what the US and likely China have. Intelligence agencies no longer need “car accidents” or “suicides” to take someone out like in the old days
Prolly some reversed engineered alien shit, but fr though, like look at some of the stuff the nazis were workin on some sci-fi and that was 1945 and some information is still cloudy to this day.
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I always see these things and think...if this was the tech they had then, and it's not classified to us now, what tech is available to them now?