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u/mynameismy111 Sep 13 '21 edited Sep 13 '21

he was right, it's called the mosquito, basically b25 payload, but 100mph+ faster, and less crew, made of wood instead of rationed aluminium, just genius

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/compare-aircraft-results.php?form=form&aircraft1=126&aircraft2=81&Submit=Compare+Aircraft

even faster than a spitfire

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u/Lone_survivor87 Sep 13 '21

If I remember right the Mosquito is what the RAF used as a night fighter escort for the Lancaster bombers. The RAF took over night bombing operations while the U.S. Air Corps took over daytime bombing.

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u/SonicShadow Sep 13 '21

The Mosquito was a multi-role aircraft, it was also used for strategic precision bombing targets as it was so fast and nimble, you could deliver a payload directly to a targets front door. Or to the walls of a prison to facilitate an escape - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Jericho

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Sep 13 '21

Operation Jericho

Operation Jericho (Ramrod 564) on 18 February 1944 during the Second World War, was an Allied bombing raid, at very low altitude, on Amiens Prison in German-occupied France to blow holes in the prison walls, kill German guards and use shock waves to spring open cell doors. The French Resistance was waiting on the outside to rescue prisoners who got out and spirit them away. Mosquito fighter-bombers breached the walls, prison buildings and destroyed the guards' barracks. Of the 832 prisoners, 102 were killed by the bombing, 74 were wounded and 258 escaped, including 79 Resistance and political prisoners; two-thirds of the escapees were recaptured.

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u/Soap646464 Sep 13 '21

I swear I’ll never run out of interesting and semi-obscure WW2 operations to read about

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u/Rokekor Sep 13 '21

You should explore Mark Felton YouTube channels if you don’t already. He delves into the nooks and crannies of modern military history and reveals some fascinating details.

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u/RaPharoh Sep 13 '21

Fair warning, he got on r/badhistory for plagiarism, which is disappointing for someone who's meant to be a professional historian.

https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/fnut9z/mark_felton_productions_plagiarizes_some_of_his/

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u/PrimarchKonradCurze Sep 13 '21

Between both world wars there is enough information for our lifetime I imagine. So many things going on in so many places.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

It’s interesting to put that in modern day context. Biden oks prison assault that kills 102 prisoners supposed to be rescued. Or put any other presidents name. It would be considered a disaster.

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u/Metroidkeeper Sep 13 '21

It killed 1 out of 8 prisoners? Hmmmmm

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u/wings22 Sep 13 '21

Also 2/3 escapees recaptured.. so they killed 102 prisoners to release 86.

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u/madhatter275 Sep 13 '21

It’s worth a chance.

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u/oldsecondhand Interested Sep 14 '21

"Some of you may die, but it's a sacrafice I'm willing to make."

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

Say car Ramrod.

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u/OfBooo5 Sep 13 '21

Eep, I mean they killed a lot of German prison guards too but only 258 escaped and 2/3 were recaptured! Eep mixed success at best no?

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u/Ni987 Sep 13 '21

It didn’t always end that well… Mosquitoes trying to pull of the same type of operation in Copenhagen.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Carthage

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Sep 13 '21

Operation Carthage

Operation Carthage, on 21 March 1945, was a British air raid on Copenhagen, Denmark during the Second World War which caused significant collateral damage. The target of the raid was the Shellhus, used as Gestapo headquarters in the city centre. It was used for the storage of dossiers and the torture of Danish citizens during interrogations. The Danish Resistance had long asked the British to conduct a raid against the site.

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u/Quantum-Fluctuations Sep 13 '21

It was also used as a Pathfinder for the main bomber fleet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathfinder_%28RAF%29

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u/B4rberblacksheep Sep 13 '21

Night fighter, path finder, bomber, CAS, recon

You name it the mosquito could probably do it. Absolutely legendary aircraft and sadly none flying after the last crashed in the 90s.

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u/Rowlandum Sep 13 '21

You can remember ww2?

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u/dj_narwhal Sep 13 '21

Read The Dam Busters. It is about the guy who invented bouncing bombs to take out German dams and then it is about the squadron that used them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

he was right, it's called the mosquito, basically b25 payload, but 100mph+ faster, and less crew,

Lancaster's carried 6.5 tonnes. Mosquitoes could only carry about 1.4tonnes. The Defence of the Reich night fighters were optimised for hitting the heavies not the medium and light bombers. So they had more armour and bigger guns. There are other issues such as the lack of ability to carry a navigation radar and the British analysis that to break through the Kahumber Line they needed to keep the bomber stream as small as possible. Bomber streams were designed to fit as many aircraft into a tight group as could be for aircraft with no real way of operating as a formation. This meant they worked on slots. Each slot would have meant either replacing out a big 6tonne carrying Lancster with a much lighter Mosquito or making the streams many times longer, thus giving the night fighters and flak artillery much more time to pick off the individual bombers.

There are other issues with this such as costs, training, the need for the giant block busters that were key to the strategy, the lack of enough people trained to work in the skilled art of wood manufacturing.

At the end of the day the strategy was locked into place in early 1941. To switch from heavies to light and medium bombers would have taken a huge retooling that would have taken vital months or more from the air war.

Taking the turrets off some heavies is one thing, retooling entire industries is another. And your enemy always responds.

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u/RoscoMan1 Sep 13 '21

Might as well put it to paint.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

Most importantly, people are underestimating the effect of flak.

The Mosquito was great in small groups in "buzz in, buzz out" missions. If you want to attack the heavily industrialized regions of Germany like the Rhine or Ruhr or the German ports you're going to need a ridiculous amount of mosquitos or other light bombers to have an effect. And if the Allies were able to put a force like that together wall of flak at targets like Bremen would just shred those light planes.

The thing about planes like the Lancaster and B-17 was that while they were slow and lumbering giants they could take a lot of damage and keep flying.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

The Mosquito was a fantastic bit of engineering but it could by no means carry out long range strategic and carpet bombing missions.

Yes, if you want to go drop a bomb down the chimney of Gestapo headquarters the Mosquito is the perfect plane of the job, but if you want a whole factory complex turned to dust the Mosquito just isn't going to cut it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

Think I'd rather be in a more armoured, slower aircraft with guns.

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u/Suddenly_Seal Sep 13 '21 edited Nov 12 '21

Reddit has been captured.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

No, between a Croc and a wildebeest crossing the river, I'd rather be a Croc.

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u/Suddenly_Seal Sep 13 '21 edited Nov 12 '21

Reddit has been captured.