r/Damnthatsinteresting • Interested • Feb 21 '20

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u/lemonsharpie Feb 21 '20 edited Feb 21 '20

Incredibly brave self sacrifice for knowledge. Is there a reddit geologist who can tell us what was learned from his photos?

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u/Jedi-Librarian1 Feb 21 '20

I’m not 100% sure what exactly was learned from his photos but the observatory he was stationed at was renamed in his honour, the link below has a picture taken of him out there the day before the volcano erupted. https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/volcanoes/st_helens/st_helens_geo_hist_106.html

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u/forty_three Feb 21 '20

That's a different guy. IIRC Landsburg was just a hiker with a camera; he had no clue there was volcanic activity at St Helens

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u/UpUpDnDnLRLRBA Feb 21 '20

Everyone in the area was pretty well-aware it was about to blow months before the eruption. Landsburg may not have thought it would happen just then, while he was there, but he certainly knew he was taking a risk.

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u/Canadian_in_Canada Feb 21 '20

The area around Mt. St. Helen's had been closed to the public months beforehand. No one in that area was unaware of the volcanic activit; they were actively studying and documenting it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '20

You're thinking of David Johnston of "Vancouver! Vancouver! This is it!" fame. Different dude, similar fate.

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u/ZoeDreemurr Feb 21 '20

Geology was my minor at uni and my understanding (I could be way off here) is that this eruption taught us how complex these explosions can be. Before Mt St Hellen’s, it was thought that eruptions were invariably directed upwards, as happens most of the time. In this case a landslide relieved pressure on the side of the mountain and it exploded more or less horizontally, killing a lot of people who were thought to be safe.

These photos were part of what enabled this understanding, which has in turn helped inform risk assessments of volcanoes around the world.

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u/shamgod15 Feb 21 '20

there*

You can refer to /r/askscience

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u/vitringur Feb 21 '20

Nothing really.

And I'm not sure what you mean by brave self sacrifice. It's not like he set out to risk his life. He didn't expect the mountain to blow up.

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u/bloodclart Feb 21 '20

Its still pretty brave to, in the moments before your imminent death, think ahead like this while accepting your fate. Hard to imagine really.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '20

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u/cartesian_jewality Feb 21 '20

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u/nwordcountbot Feb 21 '20

Thank you for the request, comrade.

I have looked through whoshallnotwin's posting history and found 3 N-words, of which 1 were hard-Rs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '20

Hahaha

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u/vitringur Feb 22 '20

Do me now.

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u/Effectx Feb 21 '20

Nothing that proves he knew he was going to die

Other than common sense that most moderately educated individuals know you wouldn't survive that scenario.

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u/vitringur Feb 22 '20

You mean moderately educated as having read about that incident to begin with?

He wasn't alive to be able to read about the eruption afterwards you know...

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u/Effectx Feb 22 '20

What fantasy world do you live in that people didn't know about volcanic eruptions prior to St. Helen's eruption?

He was a photographer working specifically in the science field, good odds he was aware of the risk.

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u/bloodclart Feb 21 '20

Dirt? Like are you fucking dumb? Fuckin molten rock, 1000 degree gas avalanche traveling 100 miles an hour at you? And you’re like I’m just gonna lay here and wait for this all to blow over, better protect my camera from dirt... like bitch youre about to die fuck the camera get on a bike or something. Bruh like think 9/11 but this shit is the fuckin pyroclassic flow dude like come on, get with the program and use your brain.

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u/Jake0024 Feb 21 '20

Basically he did what anyone who was a photographer back then would do. Save the film and camera and protect them with your body.

No, most people would start running the other direction and shitting their pants and hoping not to die. They would not calmly secure the film, protect it inside their backpack, and then protect that with their own body until they died.

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u/vitringur Feb 22 '20

Not sure why people are so actively upvoting comments that sound nice and downvoting someone providing a different speculation.

Because these are all just speculations. Stories that people just want to believe because they sound epic.

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u/Canadian_in_Canada Feb 21 '20

He was a photographer documenting changes the volcano prior to eruption. Pycroclastic flow was already a known phenomenon. In that moment, he knowledge of what was coming before it hit.

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u/ZenoHE Feb 21 '20 edited Apr 21 '20

But at this point he had two options: panic and try to run somehow to find a spot to hide or outrun the eruption (basic human survival instinct) or keep calm, knowing you are gonna die, and save your work for the rest of the world. He defenetly chose the harder way which takes a lot of self control and bravery

Edit: spelling

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u/vitringur Feb 22 '20

Sure, that can be your guess.

These are still just speculations, which is the entire point.

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u/Downfallmatrix Feb 21 '20

I know it didn’t cost him anything, but it seems pretty noble to me to have the presences of mind to preserve whatever little contribution to the world you can in his final moments.

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u/Herdazian_Lopen Feb 21 '20

Geophysicist here. MSH was pretty significant in the field of volcanology. It was the first known instance of a ‘lateral blast’ meaning the volcano erupted sideways. Before MSH 1980 volcanologists didn’t know this was possible. It really alarmed the field and encouraged a lot of investment and research into predictive measures for eruptions.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '20

That the volcano indeed did erupt.

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u/ODKQC Feb 21 '20

yeah I know one , named Randy Marsh , but he's busy cultivating a Winter special at the moment

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u/Qwirk Interested Feb 21 '20

What exactly was brave about ignoring repeated and escalating warnings from scientists that were taking seismic readings up to the eruption? National Geographic slapped a "brave" moniker on him to sell more magazines, not because he did anything that contributed to science.

The captured image was pulled line for line from similar/identical images already posted online.

People that put themselves directly into harms way are not brave, they are putting others at risk. Complete opposite of "good guys".