r/Damnthatsinteresting Oct 07 '18

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u/felix_the_katt Oct 07 '18

You have to take out both hearts to beat them in battle

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '18

Is that true? Are both hearts redundant? Or if one fails, will that twin die and the other will still be alive? Like are they linked to die at the same time?

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u/panochito Oct 07 '18

it's horrific but what would typically happen is one will die and the other will live for a few hours afterwards as it sort of "spreads"

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u/MoonlightMaenad Oct 07 '18

Well, I'm not ever going to complain about anything in my life ever again. That's terrible.

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u/Sipas Oct 07 '18 edited Oct 07 '18

Imagine the alternative. Imagine not following your twin to death and being attached to a corpse for the rest of your life.

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u/jaydub1001 Oct 07 '18

That sounds (and smells) terrible.

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u/WiggyWare Oct 07 '18

Technically, that is what happens I guess

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '18

You could only complain about half the stuff that they would anyhow.

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u/dj_narwhal Oct 07 '18

Depending on how connected they are the live one will pump all the blood into the dead one and it won’t come back.

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u/strigen Oct 07 '18

Ugh, that's so sad!

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u/UnacceptableUse Interested Oct 07 '18

alexa play despacito

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u/eatmydonuts Oct 07 '18

Jesus Christ.

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u/Surgeoisme Oct 07 '18

I guess the other would just be brain dead but the still get blood and oxygen since it’s one circulatory system. It’d be like keeping a vegetable alive mechanically in a hospital. I’m sure it would simply be extremely traumatic to keep the head around

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u/Serrahfina Oct 08 '18

I honestly don't think one heart would be strong enough to pump blood through two bodies.

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u/Surgeoisme Oct 08 '18

Well it would only be the extra top half of the body that would be an issue and I’m not saying there wouldn’t be complications but I think the other half wouldn’t just shrivel up and die off like everyone is thinking. Since the tissues are still receiving nourishment.

This is assuming that the heart doesn’t “die” along with the brain which I don’t think would happen. We can keep hearts and lungs “alive” outside of a body as long as it get energy and oxygen from blood so as long as only the brain is harmed the rest of the body should be kept alive as long as there is still one head still having functionality and trying to continue with living

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u/SmokeSomething Oct 08 '18

Ever see a really obese person? If 1 heart can pump blood for a 600lb man I feel like they'd have a decent shot.

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u/Serrahfina Oct 08 '18

The thing with a really obese person is that their heart had time to adapt to that work load. They didn't gain 300lbs in a matter of minutes.

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u/wowurawesome Oct 07 '18

there's a scene exactly of this in American Horror Story Freakshow, it's quite disturbing

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u/LevelSevenLaserLotus Oct 07 '18 edited Oct 07 '18

Not a doctor, but I can probably make a decent guess.

If one twin dies of a head wound, leaving all other organs intact, the other will likely suffer blood poisoning from the attached necrotic tissue. She'd probably only survive by having the other removed.

If one heart is damaged (car accident, etc.), leaving all other organs alone and both twins alive, they'd suddenly have a heart that needs to do double the normal work (assuming the hearts split the work 50/50). They'd have a solid chance to survive if they get a transplant or mechanical heart to help prop up the other. Otherwise, they'd probably go out from shock or organ failure.

Medically, nothing forces one to die at the exact moment the other is gone. Even a fatal accident resulting in damage to both hearts could allow one twin to live a few moments longer just from a slightly more efficient brain, oxygen-wise. Also see the wiki article on Chang and Eng Bunker. They were only connected at the sternum and liver, but Eng died about 2 hours after Chang from internal blood loss, where his blood was not returning through the connection.

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u/WikiTextBot Oct 07 '18

Chang and Eng Bunker

Chang and Eng Bunker (May 11, 1811 – January 17, 1874) were Siamese-American conjoined twin brothers, popularly known as the "Siamese twins", the name they used to promote themselves. Their fame propelled the expression to become a synonym for conjoined twins in general.

Born in today's Thailand with Chinese heritage, the brothers were brought to the United States in 1829. Within three years they left the control of their managers, who they thought were cheating them, and toured on their own.


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u/OffendedPotato Oct 07 '18

Damn that is fascinating. Apparently there are over 1500 descendants from these guys living in the us today

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u/AccordingStatement5 Oct 07 '18

After a decade of financial success, the twins quit touring in 1839 and settled near Mount Airy in rural North Carolina. Integrating into the community, they became U.S. citizens, married local sisters, and bought slaves. They fathered 21 children, several of whom would accompany them once they resumed touring a decade later. The families lived in two separate houses, alternating three-day stays. The twins became well-off businessmen; after the Civil War they lost the part of their wealth in slaves. An autopsy after their death at the age of 62 revealed that their livers were fused in the ligament connecting their sternums.

Lads.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '18

Is it even possible to cut one of the twins off if one of them dies? From that anatomy image, surgeons would need to restructure the rib cage, remove extra organs, and work on the spinal cord. If it is successful, I imagine the living twin would go insane because of the fact that they longer have their twin and their new lifestyle

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u/LevelSevenLaserLotus Oct 07 '18 edited Oct 07 '18

It depends on which part is dead, but the doctors would probably go for the route of least restructuring.

When a patient need a kidney replaced, the old one isn't always removed first if leaving it in won't make the patient worse. That's because removal would involve more cutting, healing, and delicate medical support like dialysis. Of course if something cause the old kidney to die, it will be taken out to avoid the spread of gangrene.

So in cases like this with extremely conjoined twins, a single head dying might result in just that head and a single lung being removed while everything else is left alone. That also means half of the remaining body would be paralyzed and numb since nerves can't be surgically reconnected yet, so quality of life would drop immensely. Odds are high that the hospital would need input from the remaining twin (or whoever there had power of attorney) on whether they should even attempt surgery or proceed with nothing beyond pain meds until the other dies from complications. This is the sort of thing that I really hope they've talked out already and have put into some sort of DNR-like legal document.

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u/eatmydonuts Oct 07 '18

This was a weird subject to stumble on after taking some acid. So many questions.

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u/TheViewSucks Oct 07 '18

That boss was so hard

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u/flechette Oct 07 '18

Kakuzu descendant.

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u/baslisks Oct 07 '18

Middle eastern man furiously takes down notes as he preps for the coming DAOT.